Comments on: Bad news for Washington Catholic hierarchy http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/08/30/48223 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sun, 19 May 2013 14:07:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: revchicoucc http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/08/30/48223/comment-page-1#comment-138401 revchicoucc Sat, 01 Sep 2012 05:13:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=48223#comment-138401 @Jerry. It is clear to me from Mr. Kincaid's article the prohibition on bundling applies to all religious organizations. In a Washington Post article on this matter, Ms. Anderson is quoted as saying the prohibition applies to ALL organizations, religious or not, and her statement is preemptory. I do not see any evidence in any source that any religious organization has bundled. The offering mentioned in this article had not been collected. My comment is directed at Mr. Kincaid's suggestion that intimidation and social pressure is somehow confined to Catholic clergy and parishes and to opponents of equality. Supporters of marriage equality can also use intimidation or social pressure to extract generous giving. Even a gentle collection of gifts that are passed through the church's books, that cannot be linked to individuals, appears to not be allowed. Washington United for Marriage has a pretty long list of religious organizations who are pro-equality. I bet some pastor on that list has thought about taking a collection in a worship service to pass on as a gift from the church. I would (I'm not in Washington). Now they know better. It is possible that a violation of the bundling prohibition occurred before organizations knew better. So, will the Commission investigate all organizational contributions to both sides? Unless someone challenges a specific contribution, probably not. @Jerry. It is clear to me from Mr. Kincaid’s article the prohibition on bundling applies to all religious organizations. In a Washington Post article on this matter, Ms. Anderson is quoted as saying the prohibition applies to ALL organizations, religious or not, and her statement is preemptory. I do not see any evidence in any source that any religious organization has bundled. The offering mentioned in this article had not been collected.

My comment is directed at Mr. Kincaid’s suggestion that intimidation and social pressure is somehow confined to Catholic clergy and parishes and to opponents of equality.

Supporters of marriage equality can also use intimidation or social pressure to extract generous giving. Even a gentle collection of gifts that are passed through the church’s books, that cannot be linked to individuals, appears to not be allowed.

Washington United for Marriage has a pretty long list of religious organizations who are pro-equality. I bet some pastor on that list has thought about taking a collection in a worship service to pass on as a gift from the church. I would (I’m not in Washington). Now they know better.

It is possible that a violation of the bundling prohibition occurred before organizations knew better. So, will the Commission investigate all organizational contributions to both sides? Unless someone challenges a specific contribution, probably not.

]]> By: jerry http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/08/30/48223/comment-page-1#comment-138375 jerry Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:48:06 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=48223#comment-138375 revchicoucc, unless the information in the article is incorrect the state commission said ALL organizations are prohibited from bundling contributions so yes that would include churches with liberal or progressive bents. The question I have is do you have any verifiable data that shows liberal or progressive churches have been bundling contributions in the manner proscribed? revchicoucc, unless the information in the article is incorrect the state commission said ALL organizations are prohibited from bundling contributions so yes that would include churches with liberal or progressive bents. The question I have is do you have any verifiable data that shows liberal or progressive churches have been bundling contributions in the manner proscribed?

]]> By: revchicoucc http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/08/30/48223/comment-page-1#comment-138335 revchicoucc Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:20:10 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=48223#comment-138335 While you're being upset with Father Dogma, are you equally upset with Reverend Openmind at the progressive, liberal church who is urging her members to support marriage equality? The prohibition on bundling applies to her church, too. You're always urging the pro-equality churches to speak up, be more vocal, more visible, more active. The pro-equality group in Washington includes a fairly good number of religious organizations on their website. Will the Public Disclosure Commission investigate all contributions sent by religious organizations to determine whether or not the prohbition was violated, regardless of which side they support? That seems appropriate to me. While you’re being upset with Father Dogma, are you equally upset with Reverend Openmind at the progressive, liberal church who is urging her members to support marriage equality? The prohibition on bundling applies to her church, too.

You’re always urging the pro-equality churches to speak up, be more vocal, more visible, more active. The pro-equality group in Washington includes a fairly good number of religious organizations on their website.

Will the Public Disclosure Commission investigate all contributions sent by religious organizations to determine whether or not the prohbition was violated, regardless of which side they support? That seems appropriate to me.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/08/30/48223/comment-page-1#comment-138271 Timothy Kincaid Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:48:52 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=48223#comment-138271 Tristram You are absolutely right. I'll change it. Tristram

You are absolutely right. I’ll change it.

]]> By: tristram http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/08/30/48223/comment-page-1#comment-138268 tristram Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:18:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=48223#comment-138268 I suspect that your title sells "Washington Catholics" short. This may be "bad news" for the Bishops and most of the clergy, but there are probably plenty of lay Catholics and a number of priests and nuns in Washington who support all families. I suspect that your title sells “Washington Catholics” short. This may be “bad news” for the Bishops and most of the clergy, but there are probably plenty of lay Catholics and a number of priests and nuns in Washington who support all families.

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