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	<title>Comments on: Eagle Scouts live up to the title</title>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fenris Wolf:  Did you have a point in addressing me beyond making personal insults?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fenris Wolf:  Did you have a point in addressing me beyond making personal insults?</p>
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		<title>By: Reed B</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/05/47064/comment-page-1#comment-138999</link>
		<dc:creator>Reed B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm . . . Timothy K, I DID read some of the letters per your suggestion.  They DID break my heart, some of them.  So I&#039;m dusting off my &quot;Bobcat&quot; pin, and possibly taking my Weblo cap down from the shelf (it has a suggestion of &quot;the pride spectrum&quot; in the colors of its diamond designs - as well as a Harlequin association that appeals to me).  
BSA National remains out of step with the rest of the world&#039;s scouting organizations.  And Scouting for All and Spiral Scouts remain as virtually-unknown alternatives.  
On we slog . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm . . . Timothy K, I DID read some of the letters per your suggestion.  They DID break my heart, some of them.  So I&#8217;m dusting off my &#8220;Bobcat&#8221; pin, and possibly taking my Weblo cap down from the shelf (it has a suggestion of &#8220;the pride spectrum&#8221; in the colors of its diamond designs &#8211; as well as a Harlequin association that appeals to me).<br />
BSA National remains out of step with the rest of the world&#8217;s scouting organizations.  And Scouting for All and Spiral Scouts remain as virtually-unknown alternatives.<br />
On we slog . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Fenris Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fenris Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esuriance - well-chosen name as your greed for attention shows.  I&#039;d suggest you consider adding &quot;coprophiliac&quot; to that. 

Jarred - just more confused and confusing musings from your northern grove, I suppose.  If you accidentally out yourself at work a few more times, you might be able to conduct your acts of blogggery full-time IRL.  Meantime, your cherished anger is infectious and toxic as well as self-centered:  to quote you, &quot;But just so we&#039;re clear, if it doesn&#039;t, I&#039;m too fucking pissed to fucking care.&quot;    And screw you, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esuriance &#8211; well-chosen name as your greed for attention shows.  I&#8217;d suggest you consider adding &#8220;coprophiliac&#8221; to that. </p>
<p>Jarred &#8211; just more confused and confusing musings from your northern grove, I suppose.  If you accidentally out yourself at work a few more times, you might be able to conduct your acts of blogggery full-time IRL.  Meantime, your cherished anger is infectious and toxic as well as self-centered:  to quote you, &#8220;But just so we&#8217;re clear, if it doesn&#8217;t, I&#8217;m too fucking pissed to fucking care.&#8221;    And screw you, too.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/05/47064/comment-page-1#comment-136071</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m proud of those guys who are standing up for, ironically what the Eagle/Boy Scouts taught them to do, the respect of others.

I was never either because my parents couldn&#039;t afford the uniform and whatever other fees came with it.

But going by those letters, obviously there&#039;s some good going on in the troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m proud of those guys who are standing up for, ironically what the Eagle/Boy Scouts taught them to do, the respect of others.</p>
<p>I was never either because my parents couldn&#8217;t afford the uniform and whatever other fees came with it.</p>
<p>But going by those letters, obviously there&#8217;s some good going on in the troops.</p>
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		<title>By: johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fairly sure the medals are recycled, and the letters thrown in the trash unread by the leaders of BSA.  They&#039;ve made their decision, and everyone be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure the medals are recycled, and the letters thrown in the trash unread by the leaders of BSA.  They&#8217;ve made their decision, and everyone be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/05/47064/comment-page-1#comment-135937</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, I challenge you to read the letter from Stuart and David Lumb, father and son, and not tear up...  there is passion there.

&lt;blockquote&gt;When asked, I lead my troop as Senior Patrol Leader at 14 despite reservations that I would not be able to follow the example of my troop’s older scouts, who had graduated. Over the years, I grew not just to tolerate but to enjoy the diversity of my troop—not just the embrace of ethnic and religious diversity written into the Boy Scout handbook, but the embrace of smaller scouts, the ones from damaged homes, the scouts teased by other kids for effeminate behavior: these scouts deserved the friendship and support that scouting provided. The policy you just reaffirmed discriminates against some of the very scouts in my adopted family and I cannot abide by the BSA’s hypocritical policy to welcome some, but not all, boys in need of character-building experiences. Shame on you for reaffirming a policy to exclude the boys who may need this life-changing opportunity most.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, I challenge you to read the letter from Stuart and David Lumb, father and son, and not tear up&#8230;  there is passion there.</p>
<blockquote><p>When asked, I lead my troop as Senior Patrol Leader at 14 despite reservations that I would not be able to follow the example of my troop’s older scouts, who had graduated. Over the years, I grew not just to tolerate but to enjoy the diversity of my troop—not just the embrace of ethnic and religious diversity written into the Boy Scout handbook, but the embrace of smaller scouts, the ones from damaged homes, the scouts teased by other kids for effeminate behavior: these scouts deserved the friendship and support that scouting provided. The policy you just reaffirmed discriminates against some of the very scouts in my adopted family and I cannot abide by the BSA’s hypocritical policy to welcome some, but not all, boys in need of character-building experiences. Shame on you for reaffirming a policy to exclude the boys who may need this life-changing opportunity most.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: tristram</title>
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		<dc:creator>tristram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TK  - I totally agree that BTB&#039;ers should read those letters. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen an on-line aggegation of such thoughtful, heartfelt, articulate statements. In case you missed it, here&#039;s an interesting article about the ESROB movement  - 

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120805/US.Boy.Scouts.Gays/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TK  &#8211; I totally agree that BTB&#8217;ers should read those letters. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen an on-line aggegation of such thoughtful, heartfelt, articulate statements. In case you missed it, here&#8217;s an interesting article about the ESROB movement  &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120805/US.Boy.Scouts.Gays/" rel="nofollow">http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120805/US.Boy.Scouts.Gays/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/05/47064/comment-page-1#comment-135237</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every day... every friggin day they make me tear up.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As I stated, my experience in scouting was mostly a good one, yet it was, of course, not perfect.  One of my sadder memories was of me and my fellow scouts one time tying another scout to a sled and pushing him downhill into the brambles that cut up his face, all because this young man was effeminate and thought to be “gay.”  I’ll never forget the tears in his face as he sauntered back up the hill and rejoined the rest of us as we happily celebrated and our adult leaders simply looked away.  I understand that the BSA probably doesn’t officially condone this type of behavior – but when you do have an official policy of exclusion based on irrational fears, this type of behavior is a likely consequence. 

I have stood by the BSA for many years in the hope that it will be mature enough to adapt to changing times and more compelling human needs.  Your latest decision to re-affirm a century-old policy that has no place in this world has prompted me, after thirty-five years, to let go of this medal, a symbol of one of the first major achievements of my life.  I return it mindful of what Rev. Martin Luther King wrote in his Letter from Birmingham City Jail:  “If I have said anything in this letter that overstates the truth and indicates an unreasonable impatience, I beg you to forgive me. If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than brotherhood, I beg God to forgive me.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every day&#8230; every friggin day they make me tear up.</p>
<blockquote><p>As I stated, my experience in scouting was mostly a good one, yet it was, of course, not perfect.  One of my sadder memories was of me and my fellow scouts one time tying another scout to a sled and pushing him downhill into the brambles that cut up his face, all because this young man was effeminate and thought to be “gay.”  I’ll never forget the tears in his face as he sauntered back up the hill and rejoined the rest of us as we happily celebrated and our adult leaders simply looked away.  I understand that the BSA probably doesn’t officially condone this type of behavior – but when you do have an official policy of exclusion based on irrational fears, this type of behavior is a likely consequence. </p>
<p>I have stood by the BSA for many years in the hope that it will be mature enough to adapt to changing times and more compelling human needs.  Your latest decision to re-affirm a century-old policy that has no place in this world has prompted me, after thirty-five years, to let go of this medal, a symbol of one of the first major achievements of my life.  I return it mindful of what Rev. Martin Luther King wrote in his Letter from Birmingham City Jail:  “If I have said anything in this letter that overstates the truth and indicates an unreasonable impatience, I beg you to forgive me. If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than brotherhood, I beg God to forgive me.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, your statement,&quot;... I’ll be blunt. National operates like the Vatican. They don’t care what individuals think. It’s up to individuals to fall in line.&quot; is the crucial one.

And just like the Vatican, there will be no change in the organization as long as people keep writing checks to them.

I agree also that writing letters to the national organization is fruitless unless those same letters are not also published in local, regional and national news outlets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, your statement,&#8221;&#8230; I’ll be blunt. National operates like the Vatican. They don’t care what individuals think. It’s up to individuals to fall in line.&#8221; is the crucial one.</p>
<p>And just like the Vatican, there will be no change in the organization as long as people keep writing checks to them.</p>
<p>I agree also that writing letters to the national organization is fruitless unless those same letters are not also published in local, regional and national news outlets.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anent the previous argument, my own belief?

Don&#039;t call anyone hitler unless they actually ARE hitler.

It cheapens your argument, and It cheapens hitler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anent the previous argument, my own belief?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t call anyone hitler unless they actually ARE hitler.</p>
<p>It cheapens your argument, and It cheapens hitler.</p>
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