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	<title>Comments on: Exodus Board Member resigns over Alan Chambers acknowledging the possibility of gay Christians</title>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/10/48584/comment-page-1#comment-145319</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man we really do inhabit a different world than those folks on the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man we really do inhabit a different world than those folks on the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandhorse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandhorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean to say above the “dialog between Janet Mefferd and Alan Chambers”.  

I didn’t preview my comment before posting.  Drat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean to say above the “dialog between Janet Mefferd and Alan Chambers”.  </p>
<p>I didn’t preview my comment before posting.  Drat!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandhorse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandhorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the manuscript of dialog between   and    I can’t help but think of Ralph Blair’s remarks to PFLAG in 2002.  Especially when taken with ‘TomTallis’ comment above.

Said Dr. Blair.
“Here’s another text from Matthew. Jesus is speaking of those who are childlike believers in him: &quot;Whoever welcomes such a one in my name welcomes me. But those who cause one of these childlike believers to trip, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things are inevitable, but woe to the person through whom they come!&quot; [Matt. 18:5-7]

Says [Evangelical scholar Craig Blomberg], this text is &quot;focusing particularly on those who are most disenfranchised and deemed insignificant.&quot; They are those who are made to trip. Surely among such believers today are those who, as soon as they begin to try to make some good sense of their deep longing for same-sex companionship, are rejected as &quot;abominations&quot; and forced out of fellowship, and forced to wander off, away from the church, to who-knows-what and who-knows-where.

Jesus assumes that, because of the ways of this world’s perversions of power, such legalistic lording over others is to be expected. But he warns that those who perpetrate such exclusionary arrogance shall not escape the judgment. He reveals that the oppressed have angels on their side – even the angels of the Presence of God. Jesus says: &quot;See that you do not despise one of these childlike believers. For I tell you their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father.&quot; [18:10] The Father Himself is the Friend in the Court of Heaven.

Then Jesus says: &quot;Think about it. If someone owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered away? And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander away. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these childlike believers should perish.&quot; [Matt. 18:12-14]

Blomberg says that &quot;oppressed and marginalized Christians should find great encouragement here … regardless of how others treat&quot; them.

If churches refuse to understand and love their homosexual sons and daughters, and thereby turn them off to the God of all grace, the God of all grace is like the good shepherd who goes out looking for the one who has wandered away. If even their parents refuse to understand and love them as they themselves want to be understood and loved, the God of all grace is like the good shepherd who goes looking for the one who has wandered away. And God is overjoyed to retrieve each one.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the manuscript of dialog between   and    I can’t help but think of Ralph Blair’s remarks to PFLAG in 2002.  Especially when taken with ‘TomTallis’ comment above.</p>
<p>Said Dr. Blair.<br />
“Here’s another text from Matthew. Jesus is speaking of those who are childlike believers in him: &#8220;Whoever welcomes such a one in my name welcomes me. But those who cause one of these childlike believers to trip, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things are inevitable, but woe to the person through whom they come!&#8221; [Matt. 18:5-7]</p>
<p>Says [Evangelical scholar Craig Blomberg], this text is &#8220;focusing particularly on those who are most disenfranchised and deemed insignificant.&#8221; They are those who are made to trip. Surely among such believers today are those who, as soon as they begin to try to make some good sense of their deep longing for same-sex companionship, are rejected as &#8220;abominations&#8221; and forced out of fellowship, and forced to wander off, away from the church, to who-knows-what and who-knows-where.</p>
<p>Jesus assumes that, because of the ways of this world’s perversions of power, such legalistic lording over others is to be expected. But he warns that those who perpetrate such exclusionary arrogance shall not escape the judgment. He reveals that the oppressed have angels on their side – even the angels of the Presence of God. Jesus says: &#8220;See that you do not despise one of these childlike believers. For I tell you their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father.&#8221; [18:10] The Father Himself is the Friend in the Court of Heaven.</p>
<p>Then Jesus says: &#8220;Think about it. If someone owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered away? And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander away. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these childlike believers should perish.&#8221; [Matt. 18:12-14]</p>
<p>Blomberg says that &#8220;oppressed and marginalized Christians should find great encouragement here … regardless of how others treat&#8221; them.</p>
<p>If churches refuse to understand and love their homosexual sons and daughters, and thereby turn them off to the God of all grace, the God of all grace is like the good shepherd who goes out looking for the one who has wandered away. If even their parents refuse to understand and love them as they themselves want to be understood and loved, the God of all grace is like the good shepherd who goes looking for the one who has wandered away. And God is overjoyed to retrieve each one.”</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Some humans want to settle down into a one on one relationship and some want to experience many relationships. Neither is right or wrong only what fits the individual.&quot;.

Only as long as polyamourous people are honest with all their potential partners and inform them of all their romantic and sexual activites before engaging in romance and/or sex with another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some humans want to settle down into a one on one relationship and some want to experience many relationships. Neither is right or wrong only what fits the individual.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Only as long as polyamourous people are honest with all their potential partners and inform them of all their romantic and sexual activites before engaging in romance and/or sex with another.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why Alan or any of the Exodus crowd should have any problem concerning GLBT persons being gay and Christian because the Metropolitan Community Church has proven that for over 40 years.

While I no longer identify myself as a Christian, most Christians all agree on the point that Christians are not under law but under grace. Just as Paul told the Gentiles they did not need to be circumcised to be a good Christian GLBT people do not need to be bound by laws which were based on property rights and propagating children.

It is sad it has taken Alan Chamber and John Smid sooooooooo long to finally acknowledge their same sex attractions.

I saw John when he was still in Santa Rosa at church meeting in Sacramento where they were putting on a program which featured many confused young people who were being told they needed to change their sexual orientation and they could pray away the gay.

Nature shows us there are monogamous
and non-monogamous animals so why should humans be any different?

Some humans want to settle down into a one on one relationship and some want to experience many relationships. Neither is right or wrong only what fits the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why Alan or any of the Exodus crowd should have any problem concerning GLBT persons being gay and Christian because the Metropolitan Community Church has proven that for over 40 years.</p>
<p>While I no longer identify myself as a Christian, most Christians all agree on the point that Christians are not under law but under grace. Just as Paul told the Gentiles they did not need to be circumcised to be a good Christian GLBT people do not need to be bound by laws which were based on property rights and propagating children.</p>
<p>It is sad it has taken Alan Chamber and John Smid sooooooooo long to finally acknowledge their same sex attractions.</p>
<p>I saw John when he was still in Santa Rosa at church meeting in Sacramento where they were putting on a program which featured many confused young people who were being told they needed to change their sexual orientation and they could pray away the gay.</p>
<p>Nature shows us there are monogamous<br />
and non-monogamous animals so why should humans be any different?</p>
<p>Some humans want to settle down into a one on one relationship and some want to experience many relationships. Neither is right or wrong only what fits the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/10/48584/comment-page-1#comment-141094</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I&#039;m going to give that comment what I consider to be very high praise: it seemed like something Anne Lamott would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to give that comment what I consider to be very high praise: it seemed like something Anne Lamott would say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben In Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben In Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone tells me they love me but hate my sin, JUST LIKE GOD, all that tells me ios that they know nothing of me, god, sin, love, or homosexuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone tells me they love me but hate my sin, JUST LIKE GOD, all that tells me ios that they know nothing of me, god, sin, love, or homosexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/10/48584/comment-page-1#comment-140973</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing this, Timothy. I&#039;ve been casually following the recent ongoings at Exodus but have been applying logical thought as opposed to religious perspective to my interpretation of the events. When I heard the Mefferd interview (yes, I was actually listening to her radio show) I was confused and horrified by what she had to say. Oddly, your article gives me better understanding of where she is coming from. I appreciate the perspective and grateful for logical thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this, Timothy. I&#8217;ve been casually following the recent ongoings at Exodus but have been applying logical thought as opposed to religious perspective to my interpretation of the events. When I heard the Mefferd interview (yes, I was actually listening to her radio show) I was confused and horrified by what she had to say. Oddly, your article gives me better understanding of where she is coming from. I appreciate the perspective and grateful for logical thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/10/48584/comment-page-1#comment-140767</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its always a good test to turn things around.  I acknowledge the possibility of a monotheistic mythology that is not homophobic. Now do a search for  &quot;Russell&#039;s Teapot&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its always a good test to turn things around.  I acknowledge the possibility of a monotheistic mythology that is not homophobic. Now do a search for  &#8220;Russell&#8217;s Teapot&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Keppler</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/10/48584/comment-page-1#comment-140691</link>
		<dc:creator>Keppler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn&#8230;.</p>
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