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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Getting Very Ugly in Maryland (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark F, pubic votes are exactly how it *doesn&#039;t* work. I find it odd/hilarious that you think a vote on African American rights would be just fine because it would for sure pass. You might want to run that by some black people, first. The indignity of even having to beg strangers for rights is not something any American should be subject to. It&#039;s odd you&#039;re willing to settle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark F, pubic votes are exactly how it *doesn&#8217;t* work. I find it odd/hilarious that you think a vote on African American rights would be just fine because it would for sure pass. You might want to run that by some black people, first. The indignity of even having to beg strangers for rights is not something any American should be subject to. It&#8217;s odd you&#8217;re willing to settle.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, a couple of years ago Mississippi voted to keep parts of the constitution mandating school segregation. Which of course was championed by the Christians. Interracial marriage didn&#039;t get plurality support until the 90s. Make no mistake. The southern US is still as racist as it is anti-gay.

And people should make every effort to oppose this abuse of the referendum system. It doesn&#039;t need to be abolished. Just modified to limit the laws its can be used for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, a couple of years ago Mississippi voted to keep parts of the constitution mandating school segregation. Which of course was championed by the Christians. Interracial marriage didn&#8217;t get plurality support until the 90s. Make no mistake. The southern US is still as racist as it is anti-gay.</p>
<p>And people should make every effort to oppose this abuse of the referendum system. It doesn&#8217;t need to be abolished. Just modified to limit the laws its can be used for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I fully expect to be allowed to vote on whether Black Americans should be allowed to marry.&quot;

I&#039;d have no trouble with such a vote as it would easily pass in every state.

Look, the fact is we had better get used to these public votes because that is how our system works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I fully expect to be allowed to vote on whether Black Americans should be allowed to marry.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have no trouble with such a vote as it would easily pass in every state.</p>
<p>Look, the fact is we had better get used to these public votes because that is how our system works.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew-

If you can&#039;t make your point without calling people names, it&#039;s not a very good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew-</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t make your point without calling people names, it&#8217;s not a very good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully expect to be allowed to vote on whether Black Americans should be allowed to marry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully expect to be allowed to vote on whether Black Americans should be allowed to marry.</p>
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		<title>By: Libria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.dailytarheel.com/index.php/article/2011/10/unc_clears_psalm_100_after_investigation

&quot;Members of Psalm 100 voted unanimously to remove senior Will Thomason, who is gay, on Aug. 28 for his views on homosexuality.

Crisp said the University did not find enough evidence to conclude that the group’s expulsion of Thomason was based on his sexual orientation rather than his beliefs.&quot;


Tell me about equality...</description>
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<p>&#8220;Members of Psalm 100 voted unanimously to remove senior Will Thomason, who is gay, on Aug. 28 for his views on homosexuality.</p>
<p>Crisp said the University did not find enough evidence to conclude that the group’s expulsion of Thomason was based on his sexual orientation rather than his beliefs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell me about equality&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw Dr. McCaskill publicly siding with Tony Perkins and taking on the rhetoric and victim-posturing of the anti-gay movement, this started to look like a case of a real bigot being caught at her bigotry.

But then it occurred to me that Dr. McCaskill is a middle-aged deaf black woman whose employment by the one employer she&#039;s had for most or all of her working life is being threatened, during &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;this&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; dire economy.  And who, if she loses this job, will be trying to get hired elsewhere in the wake of a messy public firing.  If she had gotten along well with her employer until just now, she may be feeling rattled enough that it&#039;s affected her judgement.  So she might be less particular than she normally would be about whom she associates with, feeling that she can&#039;t afford to turn down allies.  As to her talking like a node in the anti-gay machine, she might be acting on bad advice from some of these newfound friends.  And feeling embattled and isolated can sharpen anyone&#039;s tone.

Or this is the real Angela McCaskill coming through.

The offer of university president Hurwitz for her to come back to work was hardly unconditional, and the quoted text from that public offer read condescendingly, like the prodigal employee needs to find her way back so the good, benevolent university administration can help her see the error of her ways and put her back on track.  I&#039;m not sure Hurwitz actually is offering anything new here.

Meanwhile, McCaskill has just taken what looks like a newly aggressive legal stance.

If there&#039;s some kind of legal jockeying for position here, I&#039;m not understanding it.

I feel as though there is information that is not public that is necessary to fully understand what is going on here.

I&#039;ve read on the &#039;Net that some think the university&#039;s actions here are flatly illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw Dr. McCaskill publicly siding with Tony Perkins and taking on the rhetoric and victim-posturing of the anti-gay movement, this started to look like a case of a real bigot being caught at her bigotry.</p>
<p>But then it occurred to me that Dr. McCaskill is a middle-aged deaf black woman whose employment by the one employer she&#8217;s had for most or all of her working life is being threatened, during <i><b>this</b></i> dire economy.  And who, if she loses this job, will be trying to get hired elsewhere in the wake of a messy public firing.  If she had gotten along well with her employer until just now, she may be feeling rattled enough that it&#8217;s affected her judgement.  So she might be less particular than she normally would be about whom she associates with, feeling that she can&#8217;t afford to turn down allies.  As to her talking like a node in the anti-gay machine, she might be acting on bad advice from some of these newfound friends.  And feeling embattled and isolated can sharpen anyone&#8217;s tone.</p>
<p>Or this is the real Angela McCaskill coming through.</p>
<p>The offer of university president Hurwitz for her to come back to work was hardly unconditional, and the quoted text from that public offer read condescendingly, like the prodigal employee needs to find her way back so the good, benevolent university administration can help her see the error of her ways and put her back on track.  I&#8217;m not sure Hurwitz actually is offering anything new here.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, McCaskill has just taken what looks like a newly aggressive legal stance.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s some kind of legal jockeying for position here, I&#8217;m not understanding it.</p>
<p>I feel as though there is information that is not public that is necessary to fully understand what is going on here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read on the &#8216;Net that some think the university&#8217;s actions here are flatly illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 05:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys - just saying... did I not predict everything that came to pass here, down to the lawsuit over the tarnishing of her reputation?  

Talk about losing the war... this may well have just single-handedly cost us the first year that we had an advantage -- in 4 states, and cost us every gain we have made in the African American community this year.  

I haven&#039;t seen the numbers, but I understand the mechanics of identity politics.  This could set us back years.  

F-ing idiots.  So glad everyone here feels morally superior.  The rest of us would kind of like to get married if you could get out of our way now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys &#8211; just saying&#8230; did I not predict everything that came to pass here, down to the lawsuit over the tarnishing of her reputation?  </p>
<p>Talk about losing the war&#8230; this may well have just single-handedly cost us the first year that we had an advantage &#8212; in 4 states, and cost us every gain we have made in the African American community this year.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the numbers, but I understand the mechanics of identity politics.  This could set us back years.  </p>
<p>F-ing idiots.  So glad everyone here feels morally superior.  The rest of us would kind of like to get married if you could get out of our way now.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 04:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fraud this lady is. I&#039;d love to see the face of all these African Americans if gay white people had come to them and told them that school segregation should have been submitted to a popular vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fraud this lady is. I&#8217;d love to see the face of all these African Americans if gay white people had come to them and told them that school segregation should have been submitted to a popular vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a fairly simple solution to this problem: put her continued employment up to a vote of the university faculty and students. 

I cant imagine any reason she would object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a fairly simple solution to this problem: put her continued employment up to a vote of the university faculty and students. </p>
<p>I cant imagine any reason she would object.</p>
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