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	<title>Comments on: McCaskill anti-gay marriage ad runs</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucrece,

You sound a lot like a member of NOM or AFA using a sex predator case as comparrison Uand such a falsity in your description of the Sandusky case, who, by multiple reports, was found to not be doing his job correctly, but had it covered up.  What a crock).  I see the tactics of the far right are easily available for use.

You claim a desire for equality, but given the honest chance to give it, you would rather exact vengence. 

I&#039;ve never been ashamed of BEING gay, but sometimes I&#039;m ashamed that those I am associated with look more for vengence and an eye for an eye than honest equality.

Equality means you don&#039;t hang people for the same things you complain about them doing to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucrece,</p>
<p>You sound a lot like a member of NOM or AFA using a sex predator case as comparrison Uand such a falsity in your description of the Sandusky case, who, by multiple reports, was found to not be doing his job correctly, but had it covered up.  What a crock).  I see the tactics of the far right are easily available for use.</p>
<p>You claim a desire for equality, but given the honest chance to give it, you would rather exact vengence. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been ashamed of BEING gay, but sometimes I&#8217;m ashamed that those I am associated with look more for vengence and an eye for an eye than honest equality.</p>
<p>Equality means you don&#8217;t hang people for the same things you complain about them doing to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/10/17/49804/comment-page-1#comment-165335</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maryland was looking particularly good for us. Has their been any polling of late to see what this issue has done to the chances of equality passing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maryland was looking particularly good for us. Has their been any polling of late to see what this issue has done to the chances of equality passing?</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/10/17/49804/comment-page-1#comment-165233</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These anti gay factions have truly jumped the gun.
Her &#039;punishment&#039; isn&#039;t that severe and is still being decided. More likely in her favor.
  This happens a lot, where regardless of advancing hyperbole, a situation that&#039;s hasn&#039;t reached a conclusion yet, is still used to damage the credibility of what tolerance means.
Remember that man who went through a Chik Fil A drive thru and berated the counter girl?
 HE was fired, and his issue WAS a 1st amendment one, where HE wasn&#039;t engaging in taking AWAY anyone&#039;s rights or trying to get that girl fired.
 He WAS expressing a view.
And you didn&#039;t hear anyone defend the 1st on that man&#039;s behalf.

  Our side takes FAR more casualties than the CLAIMS made by the anti gay.
  They are SO eager, and exaggerate what happens to them, that the truth is an even sorrier casualty of the whole damn issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These anti gay factions have truly jumped the gun.<br />
Her &#8216;punishment&#8217; isn&#8217;t that severe and is still being decided. More likely in her favor.<br />
  This happens a lot, where regardless of advancing hyperbole, a situation that&#8217;s hasn&#8217;t reached a conclusion yet, is still used to damage the credibility of what tolerance means.<br />
Remember that man who went through a Chik Fil A drive thru and berated the counter girl?<br />
 HE was fired, and his issue WAS a 1st amendment one, where HE wasn&#8217;t engaging in taking AWAY anyone&#8217;s rights or trying to get that girl fired.<br />
 He WAS expressing a view.<br />
And you didn&#8217;t hear anyone defend the 1st on that man&#8217;s behalf.</p>
<p>  Our side takes FAR more casualties than the CLAIMS made by the anti gay.<br />
  They are SO eager, and exaggerate what happens to them, that the truth is an even sorrier casualty of the whole damn issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/10/17/49804/comment-page-1#comment-165015</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Zeke.  

jpeck - she doesn&#039;t have to give her approval to the ad - it&#039;s a matter of public record and a news story.  but would you blame her if she did?  from her perspective, she voiced her opinion and they wolves came out after her and tried to take her livelihood.  

the sad truth is that the substance of the ad is absolutely 100% true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Zeke.  </p>
<p>jpeck &#8211; she doesn&#8217;t have to give her approval to the ad &#8211; it&#8217;s a matter of public record and a news story.  but would you blame her if she did?  from her perspective, she voiced her opinion and they wolves came out after her and tried to take her livelihood.  </p>
<p>the sad truth is that the substance of the ad is absolutely 100% true.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TampaZeke.  I&#039;m with you on this.  The faculty members who complained about Dr. McCaskill could have waited until after the election to make their complaint.  They would have accomplished their same goal of getting rid of her without making it an issue in the campaign.

Further, I am not convinced she has given her consent to appear in this ad.  Does it cross anyone&#039;s mind that her lawyer may be advising her to stay out of the limelight, or may be working behind the scenes to have the ad taken down?  Or exploring the possibility of filing a suit against NOM for damages caused by the ad?

I note the ad includes images from what I believe are the two pastors who made ads in favor of marriage equality.  Do any of us think they gave their consent to appear in this ad?

And does anyone know sign language who can interpret what she is signing in the videos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TampaZeke.  I&#8217;m with you on this.  The faculty members who complained about Dr. McCaskill could have waited until after the election to make their complaint.  They would have accomplished their same goal of getting rid of her without making it an issue in the campaign.</p>
<p>Further, I am not convinced she has given her consent to appear in this ad.  Does it cross anyone&#8217;s mind that her lawyer may be advising her to stay out of the limelight, or may be working behind the scenes to have the ad taken down?  Or exploring the possibility of filing a suit against NOM for damages caused by the ad?</p>
<p>I note the ad includes images from what I believe are the two pastors who made ads in favor of marriage equality.  Do any of us think they gave their consent to appear in this ad?</p>
<p>And does anyone know sign language who can interpret what she is signing in the videos?</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t it seem strange that with every one of these initiatives, someone on our side does something like this that hands our opponents their winning talking point on a platter.

The class of students in San Francisco who went to their teacher&#039;s same sex wedding during school hours and with the consent of their parents.  Wonderful gesture but extremely damaging to our campaign against Prop 8.

The mayors who threatened to block CFA from opening restaurants in their cities.  Again, they meant well but they turned a story about an anti-company supporting anti-gay causes into a full throttle firestorm about gay people stomping on First Amendment Rights, even though it wasn&#039;t gay people who were doing the threatening.

Gavin Newsom declaring &quot;Like it or not...&quot; AGAIN, what he said was true and well meaning but it became an instant and effective pro-Prop 8 ad.

People on our side need to eventually figure out that 1) what feels good isn&#039;t always the thing that&#039;s effective or in our best interest and 2) timing is everything!

I&#039;m pretty sure that we can now write off a win in Maryland which seemed likely to go our way before this debacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t it seem strange that with every one of these initiatives, someone on our side does something like this that hands our opponents their winning talking point on a platter.</p>
<p>The class of students in San Francisco who went to their teacher&#8217;s same sex wedding during school hours and with the consent of their parents.  Wonderful gesture but extremely damaging to our campaign against Prop 8.</p>
<p>The mayors who threatened to block CFA from opening restaurants in their cities.  Again, they meant well but they turned a story about an anti-company supporting anti-gay causes into a full throttle firestorm about gay people stomping on First Amendment Rights, even though it wasn&#8217;t gay people who were doing the threatening.</p>
<p>Gavin Newsom declaring &#8220;Like it or not&#8230;&#8221; AGAIN, what he said was true and well meaning but it became an instant and effective pro-Prop 8 ad.</p>
<p>People on our side need to eventually figure out that 1) what feels good isn&#8217;t always the thing that&#8217;s effective or in our best interest and 2) timing is everything!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that we can now write off a win in Maryland which seemed likely to go our way before this debacle.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So gay marriage causes employees to be punished if they oppose gay marriage.  And the proof is a case in MD, where there is no gay marriage.  The other proof offered in a recent ad produced by Frank Schubert was a case in ME in 2009, where there also was no gay marriage.  Gay marriage is such a powerful cause of employer-employee disputes that it causes them even when it doesn&#039;t exist.

Schubert depends on voters being so completely clueless, so unable to parse through an argument and is counting on them reacting unthinkingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So gay marriage causes employees to be punished if they oppose gay marriage.  And the proof is a case in MD, where there is no gay marriage.  The other proof offered in a recent ad produced by Frank Schubert was a case in ME in 2009, where there also was no gay marriage.  Gay marriage is such a powerful cause of employer-employee disputes that it causes them even when it doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Schubert depends on voters being so completely clueless, so unable to parse through an argument and is counting on them reacting unthinkingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, Sandusky was deemed to be doing his job well until people dug deeper.

She just gave lip service on campus, but privately campaigned against the benefit of those very people she was pretending to advocate for.

This isn&#039;t a freedom of speech issue -- this is whether LGBT people feel like she represents them. She does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, Sandusky was deemed to be doing his job well until people dug deeper.</p>
<p>She just gave lip service on campus, but privately campaigned against the benefit of those very people she was pretending to advocate for.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a freedom of speech issue &#8212; this is whether LGBT people feel like she represents them. She does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Soren456</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soren456</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She compromised Gallaudet&#039;s commitment to diversity when she signed that petition. For that reason, the school has not just a right to withdraw her, but probably a duty to do it.

She has made it difficult for the school to defend itself in court.

If Gallaudet was ever sued for discrimination, especially by a student, and the plaintiff could show that while she was the school&#039;s chief diversity officer she signed this petition, the fact would seriously discredit her testimony in court. Perhaps destroy it.

Worse, that the school kept her in the position after this fact was known would discredit, or destroy, the school&#039;s claim to be serious about diversity and committed to enforcing its requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She compromised Gallaudet&#8217;s commitment to diversity when she signed that petition. For that reason, the school has not just a right to withdraw her, but probably a duty to do it.</p>
<p>She has made it difficult for the school to defend itself in court.</p>
<p>If Gallaudet was ever sued for discrimination, especially by a student, and the plaintiff could show that while she was the school&#8217;s chief diversity officer she signed this petition, the fact would seriously discredit her testimony in court. Perhaps destroy it.</p>
<p>Worse, that the school kept her in the position after this fact was known would discredit, or destroy, the school&#8217;s claim to be serious about diversity and committed to enforcing its requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just lost Maryland. We weren&#039;t going to win Minnesota. Maine and Washington, who knows? It depends on how far and wide this story spreads. McCaskill is very clearly game for doing what she can to make sure marriage equality will fail. She hasn&#039;t denounced NOM&#039;s ad, and the more she plays victim, the bigger payout she&#039;ll get and the gay students at the school are completely beyond her consideration. This is extremely bad. The only thing that might save us in WA and MA is the fact that the election is dominating the media coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just lost Maryland. We weren&#8217;t going to win Minnesota. Maine and Washington, who knows? It depends on how far and wide this story spreads. McCaskill is very clearly game for doing what she can to make sure marriage equality will fail. She hasn&#8217;t denounced NOM&#8217;s ad, and the more she plays victim, the bigger payout she&#8217;ll get and the gay students at the school are completely beyond her consideration. This is extremely bad. The only thing that might save us in WA and MA is the fact that the election is dominating the media coverage.</p>
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