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	<title>Comments on: Boston Globe: Romney Blocked Birth Certificates for Gay Parents</title>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know there are millions of never married single mothers that, if they can identify the bio father, marital status is not necessary to name them.

   Considering the millions of anonymous donors out there who have hundreds of kids, typically a birth certificate that says the other parent is unknown, even when a married couple uses such donations, do THEY have to be treated this way?
 Does the donor in fact, NOW have to be named on a certificate as the THIRD parent?

  And adoptive parents, aren&#039;t the bio ones, so do THEY have to be named along with the adoptive parents as well? Fourth parent set, so to speak.
  
   Here in CA, it&#039;s pretty much whoever shows up and SAYS they are the other parent that gets put on the certificate. Whether married or not.
 We have laws that say, if a father finds out that a child his wife has, turns out not to be his biologically, he&#039;s STILL obligated to pay child support, leaving the bio off the hook for it.

   THAT&#039;S why it&#039;s not the biological connection or marital status that MUST make the person the parent, but the obligations they&#039;ve signed on to have.

  The anti haven&#039;t gotten tired yet of moving the goal posts and raising the bar on gay people, literally to high heaven.
  Which makes their actions motivated not by any concern for the children, but for their perception of a divine right to screw with ONLY gay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know there are millions of never married single mothers that, if they can identify the bio father, marital status is not necessary to name them.</p>
<p>   Considering the millions of anonymous donors out there who have hundreds of kids, typically a birth certificate that says the other parent is unknown, even when a married couple uses such donations, do THEY have to be treated this way?<br />
 Does the donor in fact, NOW have to be named on a certificate as the THIRD parent?</p>
<p>  And adoptive parents, aren&#8217;t the bio ones, so do THEY have to be named along with the adoptive parents as well? Fourth parent set, so to speak.</p>
<p>   Here in CA, it&#8217;s pretty much whoever shows up and SAYS they are the other parent that gets put on the certificate. Whether married or not.<br />
 We have laws that say, if a father finds out that a child his wife has, turns out not to be his biologically, he&#8217;s STILL obligated to pay child support, leaving the bio off the hook for it.</p>
<p>   THAT&#8217;S why it&#8217;s not the biological connection or marital status that MUST make the person the parent, but the obligations they&#8217;ve signed on to have.</p>
<p>  The anti haven&#8217;t gotten tired yet of moving the goal posts and raising the bar on gay people, literally to high heaven.<br />
  Which makes their actions motivated not by any concern for the children, but for their perception of a divine right to screw with ONLY gay people.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

You said:  &quot;The HHS recommendation would not apply to same sex couples that were not married. Try reading my entire comment instead of desperately and obsessively looking for a word or two to criticize.&quot;  Well, you mention two different scenarios so it&#039;s difficult to discern which one you were speaking of.  But it&#039;s hilarious that you will defend almost anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>You said:  &#8220;The HHS recommendation would not apply to same sex couples that were not married. Try reading my entire comment instead of desperately and obsessively looking for a word or two to criticize.&#8221;  Well, you mention two different scenarios so it&#8217;s difficult to discern which one you were speaking of.  But it&#8217;s hilarious that you will defend almost anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there is no place you can register to keep them from converting you after your death.  The requests are made by individula members of the church, and not a central body.  They have, in the past, apologized for the conversion of people like Anne Franke.  But even after they promised to only do this to family members of the church, they continue to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there is no place you can register to keep them from converting you after your death.  The requests are made by individula members of the church, and not a central body.  They have, in the past, apologized for the conversion of people like Anne Franke.  But even after they promised to only do this to family members of the church, they continue to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 12:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a creepy asshole.

Your kid&#039;s birth certificate should be no one else&#039;s business to &quot;approve&quot; anything on, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a creepy asshole.</p>
<p>Your kid&#8217;s birth certificate should be no one else&#8217;s business to &#8220;approve&#8221; anything on, period.</p>
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		<title>By: MLouise</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLouise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 03:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jewish groups have repeatedly objected to having Holocaust victims baptized by proxy.  The Mormon Church has promised to stop the practice, but somehow there are a lot of rebellious Mormons who just happen to sneak into the temple and do it anyway.  I doubt that they would pay any attention at all to a list of persons who state they don&#039;t want to be baptized after they die.

Technically they are only supposed to baptize dead relatives, so if none of your family ever converts to Mormonism, you will probably be able to escape.  And they insist that the person being proxy-baptized has the opportunity to refuse.  Since there are no reports coming back from the other side, we have no way of knowing if this is accurate or not.  The real insult is to the living descendents who are not Mormon and who object strenuously to the whole idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jewish groups have repeatedly objected to having Holocaust victims baptized by proxy.  The Mormon Church has promised to stop the practice, but somehow there are a lot of rebellious Mormons who just happen to sneak into the temple and do it anyway.  I doubt that they would pay any attention at all to a list of persons who state they don&#8217;t want to be baptized after they die.</p>
<p>Technically they are only supposed to baptize dead relatives, so if none of your family ever converts to Mormonism, you will probably be able to escape.  And they insist that the person being proxy-baptized has the opportunity to refuse.  Since there are no reports coming back from the other side, we have no way of knowing if this is accurate or not.  The real insult is to the living descendents who are not Mormon and who object strenuously to the whole idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy said, &lt;i&gt;&quot;btw… is there somewhere that you can register that you do not want to be converted after death?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t know, but I doubt it would be effective, anyway, because the Mormon church can change anything, including contents of their sacred founding documents, via revelation. While they don&#039;t actually change the document, the revelation enables them to assert that a given passage is no longer applicable. 

One of the best examples was when the Mormons ended their exclusion of black people in the late 1970s . . . via revelation. The documents are quite explicit in articulating inferiority of black people, and how they must be excluded from their church. Recently, Andrew Sullivan has written a lot about this:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/religion-race-and-double-standards.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy said, <i>&#8220;btw… is there somewhere that you can register that you do not want to be converted after death?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, but I doubt it would be effective, anyway, because the Mormon church can change anything, including contents of their sacred founding documents, via revelation. While they don&#8217;t actually change the document, the revelation enables them to assert that a given passage is no longer applicable. </p>
<p>One of the best examples was when the Mormons ended their exclusion of black people in the late 1970s . . . via revelation. The documents are quite explicit in articulating inferiority of black people, and how they must be excluded from their church. Recently, Andrew Sullivan has written a lot about this:</p>
<p><a href="http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/religion-race-and-double-standards.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/religion-race-and-double-standards.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/10/25/50116/comment-page-1#comment-168977</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I hadn&#039;t thought of that.  I wonder.  

I&#039;m sure his anti-marriage views are based in his church&#039;s, ummm, unique views about marriage.

btw... is there somewhere that you can register that you do not want to be converted after death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I hadn&#8217;t thought of that.  I wonder.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure his anti-marriage views are based in his church&#8217;s, ummm, unique views about marriage.</p>
<p>btw&#8230; is there somewhere that you can register that you do not want to be converted after death?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Timothy finds logic in the anti-gay position, but not the logic in the Health And Human Services Secretary of that states logic, as it was breaking the law to hand change the certificates.&lt;/i&gt;

The HHS recommendation would not apply to same sex couples that &lt;b&gt;were not&lt;/b&gt; married.  Try reading my entire comment instead of desperately and obsessively looking for a word or two to criticize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Timothy finds logic in the anti-gay position, but not the logic in the Health And Human Services Secretary of that states logic, as it was breaking the law to hand change the certificates.</i></p>
<p>The HHS recommendation would not apply to same sex couples that <b>were not</b> married.  Try reading my entire comment instead of desperately and obsessively looking for a word or two to criticize.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Romney&#039;s meddling in birth certificates could somehow be linked to the Mormon obsession with genealogical records which enables the charming Mormon practice of posthumously converting people to Mormonism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Romney&#8217;s meddling in birth certificates could somehow be linked to the Mormon obsession with genealogical records which enables the charming Mormon practice of posthumously converting people to Mormonism.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Timothy finds logic in the anti-gay position, but not the logic in the Health And Human Services Secretary of that states logic, as it was breaking the law to hand change the certificates.

You take the cake for hypocrisy.  You will defend even the most indefensible of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Timothy finds logic in the anti-gay position, but not the logic in the Health And Human Services Secretary of that states logic, as it was breaking the law to hand change the certificates.</p>
<p>You take the cake for hypocrisy.  You will defend even the most indefensible of things.</p>
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