But Timothy, you nailed it about the priesthood. 35 years ago, I dated a lovely man who had been in seminary. He went in to please his family and not coincidentally, escape his homosexuality. He found there was far more fucking going on inside the seminary than he had encountered outside. And why? Because a bunch of other men had also entered the seminary with that as their intention, and with a boslutely no support or tools for realizing it.

I suspect that much he same is true for sexual predators. They know who they are.

That isn’t My definition. You took Michael’s words and attributed them to me. That was the exact post that got me talking about punishment without criminal activity.

If you had not become unhinged, you might have noticed the quote marks I put around this after mentioning this was Michael’s post.

For someone with such mad legal skills, you have very little ability to read and comprehend what you do read.

I’m done with you. Don’t post to me, and I won’t post to you. I’m sure the whole of BTB will be the happier for it.

Have A Nice Day.

You had no idea what I was talking about, because you had no idea what YOU were talking about.

The incidence of sociopaths is 1 in 25. Pedophiles are an even narrower demographic.
See what I’m trying to tell you?
Just legitimate expertise, not MY OPINION.
What Michael said, is what HE said. Not me, and it was wrong of you to take his opinion and project it onto any of my comments as agreeing with him at all.

I ELABORATED on it, and it’s the correct criteria in order to keep a pedophile from PHYSICAL contact with children.

I’ll elaborate again:
1. Buying, downloading, exchanging or having child pornography.

2 Stalking, inappropriate videotaping, taking or exchanging pictures of children. Especially in inappropriate poses, or enticing a child to engage in them.

3. Unsupervised PROLONGED visitation contact, especially with non related children.

4. Online internet contact with children involving inappropriate language, enticement, demands and setting up unsupervised meetings with minors.

All these are criminal, and all these are non physical contact. All these require registration as a sex offender, non contact with ANY child for any reason and staying a certain distance from them. And restrictions in certain jobs and housing.

What you’re reiterating doesn’t make SENSE, Robert.
When a pedophile hasn’t been detected, that still doesn’t mean they aren’t a HIGH RISK.
I said, it’s because pedophilia in and of itself, is an intense and typically VERY difficult thing to restrain. It’s not a NORMAL reaction to have by any means.

It has similar properties to ADDICTION. There ARE behaviors and actions that are detectable that don’t necessarily have to reach what I’ve listed, but they ARE guidelines.
Caution, isn’t PUNISHMENT.
Preventive measures, which would be prudent for ALL adults, such as monitoring, isn’t PUNISHMENT.
Please define what YOU think is punishment.
This is why, your comments about punishment and what defines a crime, really DOESN’T make sense and would seem suspicious.
It was a reasonable speculation to make. And it WAS a speculation I made out loud and ONLY that.

Does this make the issue better? Or do you just want to pile on?
What are you trying to prove? You still haven’t given any reason what your criteria is for defending a ‘pre crime’ pedophile.
Where ARE such people that YOU know so much about?
Who are they, and in what way have they been able to defend themselves?

I asked you before, and you decided you weren’t obligated to answer.
Since you’ve opened the door that there is a demographic of pedophiles out there, who haven’t committed a crime.
Then what is YOUR criteria for what those crimes have to be?
So far, all you’ve repeated is that you don’t think it’s fair to punish a pedophile prior to a crime.
You haven’t explained, how a pedophile CAN be, unless other BEHAVIORAL aspects have been detected.
Please explain that to the class here. It means enough for you to go off about it.
Go right ahead.

“What is an “ethical pedophile”?! Does simply refraining from physically abusing children somehow make a pedophile ethical? If I spent most of my time fantasizing about murdering everyone I know, would I be considered “ethical” for not acting on my fantasies? …until I couldn’t any longer?

If I was to define an ethical pedophile, it would be as following; A) In therapy. B) No contact with children. None. Even your own. C)No viewing images of children or even watching movies centered around children. D) No thinking about children or entertaining sexual thoughts. E) Chemical castration.”

ANd I say I had good reason to respond in the way I did. B and D on Michaels post were pretty severe for a person who committed no crime. Please, read all this again to see when and where I began talking about punishment.

Blame it on me if you wish, and keep trying to say I think things I don’t. Your mask has slipped, good day.