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	<title>Comments on: Tony Perkins Reacts</title>
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		<title>By: Patricia Kayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia Kayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the consequences of &quot;redefining marriage&quot;?  The only one I can think of is that gays will be allowed to be married like straights.  My Canadian family has yet to tell me of any negative consequences of same sex marriages up there.  Probably because they don&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the consequences of &#8220;redefining marriage&#8221;?  The only one I can think of is that gays will be allowed to be married like straights.  My Canadian family has yet to tell me of any negative consequences of same sex marriages up there.  Probably because they don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/07/50722/comment-page-1#comment-176773</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

President Obama had more support than same sex marriage in all of the 4 states, so some Obama voters were also heterosexual supremicists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>President Obama had more support than same sex marriage in all of the 4 states, so some Obama voters were also heterosexual supremicists.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/07/50722/comment-page-1#comment-176349</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunter,

They spin it differently.  People voted more for marriage restriction than Mitt Romney &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nomblog.com/30908/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;in those states&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;

Brian Brown thinks that says something about marriage restrictions.  I think it says something about Mitt.  Even the hetereosexual supremists didn&#039;t all vote for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter,</p>
<p>They spin it differently.  People voted more for marriage restriction than Mitt Romney <a href="http://www.nomblog.com/30908/" rel="nofollow"><i>in those states</i>.</a></p>
<p>Brian Brown thinks that says something about marriage restrictions.  I think it says something about Mitt.  Even the hetereosexual supremists didn&#8217;t all vote for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perkins lies to frequently that it seems to have become reflex.  Let&#039;s see:  &quot;traditional&quot; marriage outpolled Romney, who got 48% of the vote:

Maine:  53-47 for SSM

Maryland:  52-48 for SSM

Washington:  53-47 for SSM

Minnesota:  51-48 against marriage amendment.

So, no, &quot;traditional&quot; marriage didn&#039;t do better than Romney.

And these were the same margins that passed Prop 8 and repealed SSM in Maine, which at the time were &quot;decisive victories.&quot;  Funny thing about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perkins lies to frequently that it seems to have become reflex.  Let&#8217;s see:  &#8220;traditional&#8221; marriage outpolled Romney, who got 48% of the vote:</p>
<p>Maine:  53-47 for SSM</p>
<p>Maryland:  52-48 for SSM</p>
<p>Washington:  53-47 for SSM</p>
<p>Minnesota:  51-48 against marriage amendment.</p>
<p>So, no, &#8220;traditional&#8221; marriage didn&#8217;t do better than Romney.</p>
<p>And these were the same margins that passed Prop 8 and repealed SSM in Maine, which at the time were &#8220;decisive victories.&#8221;  Funny thing about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord_Byron</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/07/50722/comment-page-1#comment-175928</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord_Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 04:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting such a feeling of schadenfreude from seeing all these social conservatives wail and gnash their teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting such a feeling of schadenfreude from seeing all these social conservatives wail and gnash their teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give Tony a lot of credit for being able to say such nonsense for so long before he needed to change his diapers. In the end, however, he still had his whambulance waiting for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give Tony a lot of credit for being able to say such nonsense for so long before he needed to change his diapers. In the end, however, he still had his whambulance waiting for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. In spite of the fact that he is lying about their record, doesn&#039;t his &#039;32 straight victories&#039; include Maine, which has now reversed that decision? We are already on our way to undoing their hateful damage.

2. He is using the religious right&#039;s standard abuse of language when talking about abortion. One does not have to be anti-choice to be pro-life, and no poll I have seen as accurately phrased the question to keep from confusing the anti-choice with those who are pro-choice but also pro-life. To suggest, then, the marriage equality is going to head in the same direction is to showcase his own ignorance of what is truly going on with respect to abortion rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. In spite of the fact that he is lying about their record, doesn&#8217;t his &#8217;32 straight victories&#8217; include Maine, which has now reversed that decision? We are already on our way to undoing their hateful damage.</p>
<p>2. He is using the religious right&#8217;s standard abuse of language when talking about abortion. One does not have to be anti-choice to be pro-life, and no poll I have seen as accurately phrased the question to keep from confusing the anti-choice with those who are pro-choice but also pro-life. To suggest, then, the marriage equality is going to head in the same direction is to showcase his own ignorance of what is truly going on with respect to abortion rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; You see, we don’t care if you believe we are immoral and are going to hell. Heck, you and I and everyone else on this planet are slated for eternal damnation according to the tenets of one religion or another. That’s something all of us, including you, have learned to accept and dismiss. It’s when you push your religious views on those you deem hell-bound through force of law that problems arise – which is something you yourself as a supposed “limited government” type should appreciate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just because it needs to be repeated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> You see, we don’t care if you believe we are immoral and are going to hell. Heck, you and I and everyone else on this planet are slated for eternal damnation according to the tenets of one religion or another. That’s something all of us, including you, have learned to accept and dismiss. It’s when you push your religious views on those you deem hell-bound through force of law that problems arise – which is something you yourself as a supposed “limited government” type should appreciate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just because it needs to be repeated.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnAGJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnAGJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, Tony, Tony.  Really wallowing in it, aintcha?  I almost feel bad for you... almost.  Naaaaah, who am I kidding?  I&#039;m indulging in all the schadenfruede you&#039;ve handed us, dude!  If you truly believe this tripe in your statement than you are far more delusional than I thought.  I know you can&#039;t see this, but what the heck?  I&#039;ll spell it out for you:

1.  Your 32 state win is largely from 6-8 years ago.  A lot has changed since then in the culture.  Many people who supported you previously are tired of this issue for different reasons.  Some have reassesed their stance on the matter, some may personally oppose SSM but don&#039;t believe the government should ban it, some really don&#039;t care one way or the other and only supported you as part of the failing coalition to give the Republicans victory at the polls, etc.  Sure, we&#039;ll have some losses and setbacks in the days to come.  We expect them.  Yet the trend is now clear and your movement&#039;s days are numbered.  You see, we don&#039;t care if you believe we are immoral and are going to hell.  Heck, you and I and everyone else on this planet are slated for eternal damnation according to the tenets of one religion or another.  That&#039;s something all of us, including you, have learned to accept and dismiss.  It&#039;s when you push your religious views on those you deem hell-bound through force of law that problems arise - which is something you yourself as a supposed &quot;limited government&quot; type should appreciate.

2.  There is a big difference between abortion and same-sex marriage which only an idiot would ignore:  the former involves the taking of an innocent human life for opponents while the latter is only &quot;two dudes&quot; settling down together, as your charming colleague Maggie would put it.  Most folks who oppose both can see the difference, but somehow you cannot.  So no, abortion will remain controversial (but still legal) while SSM opposition will slowly fade away.  

As will you, bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, Tony, Tony.  Really wallowing in it, aintcha?  I almost feel bad for you&#8230; almost.  Naaaaah, who am I kidding?  I&#8217;m indulging in all the schadenfruede you&#8217;ve handed us, dude!  If you truly believe this tripe in your statement than you are far more delusional than I thought.  I know you can&#8217;t see this, but what the heck?  I&#8217;ll spell it out for you:</p>
<p>1.  Your 32 state win is largely from 6-8 years ago.  A lot has changed since then in the culture.  Many people who supported you previously are tired of this issue for different reasons.  Some have reassesed their stance on the matter, some may personally oppose SSM but don&#8217;t believe the government should ban it, some really don&#8217;t care one way or the other and only supported you as part of the failing coalition to give the Republicans victory at the polls, etc.  Sure, we&#8217;ll have some losses and setbacks in the days to come.  We expect them.  Yet the trend is now clear and your movement&#8217;s days are numbered.  You see, we don&#8217;t care if you believe we are immoral and are going to hell.  Heck, you and I and everyone else on this planet are slated for eternal damnation according to the tenets of one religion or another.  That&#8217;s something all of us, including you, have learned to accept and dismiss.  It&#8217;s when you push your religious views on those you deem hell-bound through force of law that problems arise &#8211; which is something you yourself as a supposed &#8220;limited government&#8221; type should appreciate.</p>
<p>2.  There is a big difference between abortion and same-sex marriage which only an idiot would ignore:  the former involves the taking of an innocent human life for opponents while the latter is only &#8220;two dudes&#8221; settling down together, as your charming colleague Maggie would put it.  Most folks who oppose both can see the difference, but somehow you cannot.  So no, abortion will remain controversial (but still legal) while SSM opposition will slowly fade away.  </p>
<p>As will you, bud.</p>
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		<title>By: Bose in St. Peter MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bose in St. Peter MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, in Perkins&#039; perfect world, the anti-gay response to marriage equality will mirror the anti-abortion efforts of late?  Let&#039;s think about what that might include...

 * pre-marital psych exams of same-sex couples?
 * mandatory, false, warnings about shortened life expectancies?
 * waiting periods and ex-gay therapy?
 * never-ending protests at churches and wedding chapels?
 * giving people and businesses the right to turn away gays?
 * harassing and boycotting gay wedding venues?
 * require licensing of wedding venues such that only one or two are open in many states?
 * stalking engaged and newly married same-sex couples?
 * criminalizing adults offering moral support to LGBT youth?
 * require written parental approval before any teen comes out?
 * banning second-parent adoptions?
 * strangers intervening to protest individual foster/adoptive parents?

No, Tony, this is not how this is going to work. Twenty years from now, and probably much sooner, you won&#039;t have the respect, audience or funding you do now if you&#039;re still trying to chip away at the basic civil rights of LGBT people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, in Perkins&#8217; perfect world, the anti-gay response to marriage equality will mirror the anti-abortion efforts of late?  Let&#8217;s think about what that might include&#8230;</p>
<p> * pre-marital psych exams of same-sex couples?<br />
 * mandatory, false, warnings about shortened life expectancies?<br />
 * waiting periods and ex-gay therapy?<br />
 * never-ending protests at churches and wedding chapels?<br />
 * giving people and businesses the right to turn away gays?<br />
 * harassing and boycotting gay wedding venues?<br />
 * require licensing of wedding venues such that only one or two are open in many states?<br />
 * stalking engaged and newly married same-sex couples?<br />
 * criminalizing adults offering moral support to LGBT youth?<br />
 * require written parental approval before any teen comes out?<br />
 * banning second-parent adoptions?<br />
 * strangers intervening to protest individual foster/adoptive parents?</p>
<p>No, Tony, this is not how this is going to work. Twenty years from now, and probably much sooner, you won&#8217;t have the respect, audience or funding you do now if you&#8217;re still trying to chip away at the basic civil rights of LGBT people.</p>
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