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		<title>By: Darina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, your link works just fine.
And the files are accessible even if you just go to the icpsr site and type &quot;Mark Regnerus&quot; in the &quot;Find Data&quot; field.

The questionnaire of the studyis also available online here: http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-Survey-Instrument.pdf I was told about that today by a Russian user on LiveJournal, imagine that! It seems that the study is already being cited as legitimate by Russian sources (and the misconception about it has recently reached my native Bulgaria too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, your link works just fine.<br />
And the files are accessible even if you just go to the icpsr site and type &#8220;Mark Regnerus&#8221; in the &#8220;Find Data&#8221; field.</p>
<p>The questionnaire of the studyis also available online here: <a href="http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-Survey-Instrument.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-Survey-Instrument.pdf</a> I was told about that today by a Russian user on LiveJournal, imagine that! It seems that the study is already being cited as legitimate by Russian sources (and the misconception about it has recently reached my native Bulgaria too).</p>
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		<title>By: sue jeffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue jeffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/34392?q=mark+regnerus&amp;permit[0]=AVAILABLE

Not sure how long this has been uploaded, or if this is a good link outside of my library acct.</description>
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<p>Not sure how long this has been uploaded, or if this is a good link outside of my library acct.</p>
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		<title>By: sue jeffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue jeffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StraightGrandmother - my email is suejeffers@fbirecords.com.  i have access to most academic journal articles thru the university and can probably help getting them without shelling out cash.  Things like the NARTH in house publication- that research circle jerk they pretend is peer reviewed- are not included unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StraightGrandmother &#8211; my email is <a href="mailto:suejeffers@fbirecords.com">suejeffers@fbirecords.com</a>.  i have access to most academic journal articles thru the university and can probably help getting them without shelling out cash.  Things like the NARTH in house publication- that research circle jerk they pretend is peer reviewed- are not included unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 04:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Regnerus and Yancey petulant and completely evasive reply to my comment on their blog...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comments

They have the Noble Scholar/Christian Martyr routine down to a science.  I love the comment from Regnerus that he is so busy doing his work that he can&#039;t be bothered to worry about how his research is used.  He also had the gall to compare Focus on the Family to the HRC!  

And then Yancey, an African-American evangelical, pipes in that his work has been cited by White Supremists so basically piss off.

Arg....I am convinced now that Regnerus is just as corrupt and political as Maggie, George, etc.  He just makes more of an effort to flatter pseudo-liberals like Saletan at Slate but the result is the same.

The one bit of satisfaction is that I think he is really feeling the heat from the academic community and maybe did not realize how big the blowback would be from so blatabtly violating scientific norms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Regnerus and Yancey petulant and completely evasive reply to my comment on their blog&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comments</a></p>
<p>They have the Noble Scholar/Christian Martyr routine down to a science.  I love the comment from Regnerus that he is so busy doing his work that he can&#8217;t be bothered to worry about how his research is used.  He also had the gall to compare Focus on the Family to the HRC!  </p>
<p>And then Yancey, an African-American evangelical, pipes in that his work has been cited by White Supremists so basically piss off.</p>
<p>Arg&#8230;.I am convinced now that Regnerus is just as corrupt and political as Maggie, George, etc.  He just makes more of an effort to flatter pseudo-liberals like Saletan at Slate but the result is the same.</p>
<p>The one bit of satisfaction is that I think he is really feeling the heat from the academic community and maybe did not realize how big the blowback would be from so blatabtly violating scientific norms.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy Green is right.No jimmy I had not seen that article at the National Review so thanks for bringing us that, I&#039;ll go check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy Green is right.No jimmy I had not seen that article at the National Review so thanks for bringing us that, I&#8217;ll go check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else catch Regnerus latest at National Review?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333193/lesbian-mothers-children-mark-regnerus

Similarly, he has been posting snide passive-aggressive articles on an evangelical sociology blog constantly reinforcing the idea that his research &quot;disproves&quot; all prior &quot;pro-gay&quot; research?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comment-16307

This has been his modus operandi from the beginning - nuance and equivocation in the mainstream media, while playing the noble scientist and religious martyr in right wing outlets.

Disgusting....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else catch Regnerus latest at National Review?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333193/lesbian-mothers-children-mark-regnerus" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333193/lesbian-mothers-children-mark-regnerus</a></p>
<p>Similarly, he has been posting snide passive-aggressive articles on an evangelical sociology blog constantly reinforcing the idea that his research &#8220;disproves&#8221; all prior &#8220;pro-gay&#8221; research?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comment-16307" rel="nofollow">http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comment-16307</a></p>
<p>This has been his modus operandi from the beginning &#8211; nuance and equivocation in the mainstream media, while playing the noble scientist and religious martyr in right wing outlets.</p>
<p>Disgusting&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to add my gratitude to StraightGrandmother. She is inspiring and tenacious. Awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to add my gratitude to StraightGrandmother. She is inspiring and tenacious. Awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have maybe captioned this link better. Regnerus responded to his critics by reslicing the data (he removed 400 records but doesn&#039;t give a good explanation of why he did that). He wrote this NON PEER REVIEWED paper to answer his critics. The Journal Social Science Research published this NON PEER REVIEWED paper in November 2012. 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have maybe captioned this link better. Regnerus responded to his critics by reslicing the data (he removed 400 records but doesn&#8217;t give a good explanation of why he did that). He wrote this NON PEER REVIEWED paper to answer his critics. The Journal Social Science Research published this NON PEER REVIEWED paper in November 2012. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse</a></p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tampa Zeke, you are ALL my family. It is my Privilege to know YOU.

Sue Jeffers, why yes, yes, yes, please do send me whatever work you have on the codebook and anything else. Since you have done so much work on it perhaps you will be interested in reading the following reports I created. They are hard to read but I can&#039;t help that it&#039;s very detailed work. It is really pathetic that Regnerus can&#039;t add which these reports show.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/105616753/NFSS-Regnerus-Errors

http://www.scribd.com/doc/105614489/NFSS-Rebuttal-Report-Non-Disclosure-of-Records-Removed

http://www.scribd.com/doc/105617392/NFSS-Regnerus-Graphs-of-Origional-Report

http://www.scribd.com/doc/105618148/NFSS-Graphsof-Regnerus-Rebuttal-Report

And just to round things out here is the famous Sarantakos research that no one ever can get their hands on the full report. I found out that Sarantakos is very ill so I doubt if he&#039;ll complain. I want to thank Ben a frequent commenter here for getting me this report, it wasn&#039;t easy.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104377190/Sarantakos-Study 

Sue J it was a REAL PIA to take all of the tables in both Regnerus&#039; reports and put them into Excel. I can send you these if you would like. This will save you hours upon hours upon hours. You did some work and I did some work, and what you did I didn&#039;t do, and what I did you didn&#039;t do, so it would be great to share.

It really makes me mad that the Original report that Regnerus made is freely available, but the criticisms you have to pay for. + Regnerus&#039; non peer reviewed rebuttal report is behind a paywall also. This is contrary to what the Editor of the Journal Social Science Promised me. Dr. Wright Promised me that all criticisms would be available on line for free, just like the original report is available for free. So since Dr. Wroght promised me this would be the case, here then is Regnerus&#039; rebuttal report

http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse

Second objection letter signed by over 200 leading scholars and Medical Professionals including the President at the time of the American Sociological Association Dr. Erik Olin Wright

http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850061/NFSS-Commentary-GaryGatesRebuttalLetter2Editor

Commentary by California State Sociologist Barret
http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850472/NFSS-Commentarty-Barett

Commentary by Sociologist Massey of Princeton
http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850572/NFSS-Commentary-Massey

Dr. James Wright the Editor PROMISED me these were all going to be FREE access, so I am making them FREE access, a promise is a promise :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tampa Zeke, you are ALL my family. It is my Privilege to know YOU.</p>
<p>Sue Jeffers, why yes, yes, yes, please do send me whatever work you have on the codebook and anything else. Since you have done so much work on it perhaps you will be interested in reading the following reports I created. They are hard to read but I can&#8217;t help that it&#8217;s very detailed work. It is really pathetic that Regnerus can&#8217;t add which these reports show.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/105616753/NFSS-Regnerus-Errors" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/105616753/NFSS-Regnerus-Errors</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/105614489/NFSS-Rebuttal-Report-Non-Disclosure-of-Records-Removed" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/105614489/NFSS-Rebuttal-Report-Non-Disclosure-of-Records-Removed</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/105617392/NFSS-Regnerus-Graphs-of-Origional-Report" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/105617392/NFSS-Regnerus-Graphs-of-Origional-Report</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/105618148/NFSS-Graphsof-Regnerus-Rebuttal-Report" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/105618148/NFSS-Graphsof-Regnerus-Rebuttal-Report</a></p>
<p>And just to round things out here is the famous Sarantakos research that no one ever can get their hands on the full report. I found out that Sarantakos is very ill so I doubt if he&#8217;ll complain. I want to thank Ben a frequent commenter here for getting me this report, it wasn&#8217;t easy.<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/104377190/Sarantakos-Study" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/104377190/Sarantakos-Study</a> </p>
<p>Sue J it was a REAL PIA to take all of the tables in both Regnerus&#8217; reports and put them into Excel. I can send you these if you would like. This will save you hours upon hours upon hours. You did some work and I did some work, and what you did I didn&#8217;t do, and what I did you didn&#8217;t do, so it would be great to share.</p>
<p>It really makes me mad that the Original report that Regnerus made is freely available, but the criticisms you have to pay for. + Regnerus&#8217; non peer reviewed rebuttal report is behind a paywall also. This is contrary to what the Editor of the Journal Social Science Promised me. Dr. Wright Promised me that all criticisms would be available on line for free, just like the original report is available for free. So since Dr. Wroght promised me this would be the case, here then is Regnerus&#8217; rebuttal report</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse</a></p>
<p>Second objection letter signed by over 200 leading scholars and Medical Professionals including the President at the time of the American Sociological Association Dr. Erik Olin Wright</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850061/NFSS-Commentary-GaryGatesRebuttalLetter2Editor" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850061/NFSS-Commentary-GaryGatesRebuttalLetter2Editor</a></p>
<p>Commentary by California State Sociologist Barret<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850472/NFSS-Commentarty-Barett" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850472/NFSS-Commentarty-Barett</a></p>
<p>Commentary by Sociologist Massey of Princeton<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850572/NFSS-Commentary-Massey" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850572/NFSS-Commentary-Massey</a></p>
<p>Dr. James Wright the Editor PROMISED me these were all going to be FREE access, so I am making them FREE access, a promise is a promise :)</p>
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		<title>By: sue jeffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue jeffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m not sure where i downloaded things from, but the codebook, research design etc. were with the dataset.  think i&#039;ll use it somehow in my quantitative research course next semester.  the dataset, if i remember, is a mess as far as formatting for any statistics program goes.  it is all stored on my home computer and i could zip it up and send it to you if you&#039;d like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not sure where i downloaded things from, but the codebook, research design etc. were with the dataset.  think i&#8217;ll use it somehow in my quantitative research course next semester.  the dataset, if i remember, is a mess as far as formatting for any statistics program goes.  it is all stored on my home computer and i could zip it up and send it to you if you&#8217;d like.</p>
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