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	<title>Comments on: Puerto Rico&#8217;s lesson in bogus election results</title>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From there, everyone could answer a second question that gave three options: statehood, sovereign free association or independence. Sovereign free association is not the same as the current status.

&quot;From there...&quot;

Assumes that they had to answer the first question to answer the second one. 

That wasnt the case.  Didnt matter what you answered on the first question or if you answered at all.

Also, 813k was the amount of voters that said Yes to status quo. 955k said NO to status quo.

819k  were the ones that voted for statehood not 793k.

You should note that in 1993 the plebiscite got a total of 788k and 1998 723k... The population has been in decline for like 10years +.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From there, everyone could answer a second question that gave three options: statehood, sovereign free association or independence. Sovereign free association is not the same as the current status.</p>
<p>&#8220;From there&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Assumes that they had to answer the first question to answer the second one. </p>
<p>That wasnt the case.  Didnt matter what you answered on the first question or if you answered at all.</p>
<p>Also, 813k was the amount of voters that said Yes to status quo. 955k said NO to status quo.</p>
<p>819k  were the ones that voted for statehood not 793k.</p>
<p>You should note that in 1993 the plebiscite got a total of 788k and 1998 723k&#8230; The population has been in decline for like 10years +.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you see the 2/3 number?  I read this story the day it came out, and linked it on my facebook page from TPM.  They linked to the BBC and CNN and neither organiztion reported the 2/3 number.  I ask because I never saw mention the number you give.  And if you saw a faulty number it negates the post as to being &quot;snowed&quot;.

My Miami friends, from Puerto Rico, like the idea of statehood, which is why the story caught my eye.

From TPM:  &quot;CNN and the BBC reported 54 percent of Puerto Rico voters elected in the first part of a two-part referendum to change the territory&#039;s status with the U.S., while 46 percent opposed. In the second part, 61 percent chose statehood, with 33 percent opting for the semi-autonomous &quot;sovereign free association&quot; and only 6 percent for independence.

The referendum, while non-binding, represents the first time a majority of Puerto Ricans have voted for statehood. Any application for statehood will need to be approved by Congress, which has never denied a petition for statehood.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you see the 2/3 number?  I read this story the day it came out, and linked it on my facebook page from TPM.  They linked to the BBC and CNN and neither organiztion reported the 2/3 number.  I ask because I never saw mention the number you give.  And if you saw a faulty number it negates the post as to being &#8220;snowed&#8221;.</p>
<p>My Miami friends, from Puerto Rico, like the idea of statehood, which is why the story caught my eye.</p>
<p>From TPM:  &#8220;CNN and the BBC reported 54 percent of Puerto Rico voters elected in the first part of a two-part referendum to change the territory&#8217;s status with the U.S., while 46 percent opposed. In the second part, 61 percent chose statehood, with 33 percent opting for the semi-autonomous &#8220;sovereign free association&#8221; and only 6 percent for independence.</p>
<p>The referendum, while non-binding, represents the first time a majority of Puerto Ricans have voted for statehood. Any application for statehood will need to be approved by Congress, which has never denied a petition for statehood.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnAGJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnAGJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I&#039;d welcome Puerto Rico as a state - if the majority truly wanted to be one.  I do think though that the time has come for them to pick something instead of continuing with the status quo.  Statehood or independence, I&#039;d respect either choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I&#8217;d welcome Puerto Rico as a state &#8211; if the majority truly wanted to be one.  I do think though that the time has come for them to pick something instead of continuing with the status quo.  Statehood or independence, I&#8217;d respect either choice.</p>
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		<title>By: leonardo Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>leonardo Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Puerto Rico two times.  One time I owned a Condo in the Condado that I visited, on vacations, until I couldn&#039;t stand being away from Puerto Rico anymore...not one more day. I moved there and never regretted it.  I love Puerto Rico.  I´m a Anglo ¨mainlander¨ from Los Angeles but mostly I now feel connected to Puerto Rico in my heart, and maybe even soul like I was born there (many transplants like me did).  I was/am a Democrat. After I became a Resident with a Cedula I belonged to the New Progressive Party (PNP) which IS pro statehood.  I found it comfortable to be in the mix of Republicans and Democrats in the same political party...that is, I did until a Republican, Luis Fortuño, took the Resident Commissioners Job (a few years ago and took up with the George W. Bush crowd).  The last thing Puerto Rico ought elect to become is part of the Republican greedster machine, Statehood or Commonwealth...Puerto Rico would lose it&#039;s heart and soul in the midst of such cold-blooded-opportunists/exploiters-of-others and fanatic politicos...best to return to the more idealic and genuinely loving relationship with the U.S.A. days of JFK and Governor Muñoz Marin.  A relationship in keeping with passion and freedom when it was encouraged to be more spontaneously/naturally Puerto Rican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Puerto Rico two times.  One time I owned a Condo in the Condado that I visited, on vacations, until I couldn&#8217;t stand being away from Puerto Rico anymore&#8230;not one more day. I moved there and never regretted it.  I love Puerto Rico.  I´m a Anglo ¨mainlander¨ from Los Angeles but mostly I now feel connected to Puerto Rico in my heart, and maybe even soul like I was born there (many transplants like me did).  I was/am a Democrat. After I became a Resident with a Cedula I belonged to the New Progressive Party (PNP) which IS pro statehood.  I found it comfortable to be in the mix of Republicans and Democrats in the same political party&#8230;that is, I did until a Republican, Luis Fortuño, took the Resident Commissioners Job (a few years ago and took up with the George W. Bush crowd).  The last thing Puerto Rico ought elect to become is part of the Republican greedster machine, Statehood or Commonwealth&#8230;Puerto Rico would lose it&#8217;s heart and soul in the midst of such cold-blooded-opportunists/exploiters-of-others and fanatic politicos&#8230;best to return to the more idealic and genuinely loving relationship with the U.S.A. days of JFK and Governor Muñoz Marin.  A relationship in keeping with passion and freedom when it was encouraged to be more spontaneously/naturally Puerto Rican.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this!  What Americans need to know is that Puertorricans are almost unanimously proud of their link to the US.  What is not clear is that there is anything even remotely resembling a consensus on political status.  That referendum was not a vote in favor of statehood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this!  What Americans need to know is that Puertorricans are almost unanimously proud of their link to the US.  What is not clear is that there is anything even remotely resembling a consensus on political status.  That referendum was not a vote in favor of statehood.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add my 2 Puertorican cents:

These referendums used to mean something because they were rare. In the past couple of years, it seems that every administration runs one, or promises one. The last time there was a referendum on status, the commonwealth option won. I can not remember when it was, but I want to say it was less than 10 years ago. Why do you think it was non-binding?

The situation in PR, politically, is weird and difficult. We are one of the &quot;states&quot; with the highest level of education (going to college and getting a degree is highly desired and thought of)but the economy is in shambles. Part of the problem is that getting a job there has never been about the most qualified candidate but based on who you know.

Bluntly, PR will never be a state. If we were, we would be the poorest state of the nation and with the state of the economy, it would tax our resources even further. Given how it might take decades to fix this mess, I doubt any moves to statehood would be made, at least by congress; the ultimate authority on PR&#039;s status. 

The other issue is a matter of pride. Puertoricans are very proud of the fact that they have international representation in sports, pageants, etc. There are people out there who actually think that if we become a state, the USA will allow PR to continue to represent itself as a semi independent nation in the international stage. When these people find out that the USA (in the hypothetical case we became a state) would not go for that, this would be a sticking point and trust me, it will not play well politically for the proponents of statehood. They will catch hell and people will turn away from statehood over this. 

Fact is that most Puertoricans, when asked, will tell you they are Puertoricans first and then Americans. Very few people will tell you the opposite and still to this day, those people are seen in some circles as traitors. 

My theory is that eventually, the Puertorican people will be given 2 choices: Conditional independence with (very likely) common defense, currency and dual citizenship or complete independence, cut the cord and the likely possibility of joining the 3rd world because of complete economic collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add my 2 Puertorican cents:</p>
<p>These referendums used to mean something because they were rare. In the past couple of years, it seems that every administration runs one, or promises one. The last time there was a referendum on status, the commonwealth option won. I can not remember when it was, but I want to say it was less than 10 years ago. Why do you think it was non-binding?</p>
<p>The situation in PR, politically, is weird and difficult. We are one of the &#8220;states&#8221; with the highest level of education (going to college and getting a degree is highly desired and thought of)but the economy is in shambles. Part of the problem is that getting a job there has never been about the most qualified candidate but based on who you know.</p>
<p>Bluntly, PR will never be a state. If we were, we would be the poorest state of the nation and with the state of the economy, it would tax our resources even further. Given how it might take decades to fix this mess, I doubt any moves to statehood would be made, at least by congress; the ultimate authority on PR&#8217;s status. </p>
<p>The other issue is a matter of pride. Puertoricans are very proud of the fact that they have international representation in sports, pageants, etc. There are people out there who actually think that if we become a state, the USA will allow PR to continue to represent itself as a semi independent nation in the international stage. When these people find out that the USA (in the hypothetical case we became a state) would not go for that, this would be a sticking point and trust me, it will not play well politically for the proponents of statehood. They will catch hell and people will turn away from statehood over this. </p>
<p>Fact is that most Puertoricans, when asked, will tell you they are Puertoricans first and then Americans. Very few people will tell you the opposite and still to this day, those people are seen in some circles as traitors. </p>
<p>My theory is that eventually, the Puertorican people will be given 2 choices: Conditional independence with (very likely) common defense, currency and dual citizenship or complete independence, cut the cord and the likely possibility of joining the 3rd world because of complete economic collapse.</p>
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