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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jpeckjr,

my husband and I have multiple copies of our marriage liscence for just the reason you stated.  I also took his last name in case we are out of our equality state.  (As often occurs in any relationship, we now bear a striking resemblence to each other) We can say we are &quot;brothers&quot; if we are ever in need in a trip cross country, and it&#039;s a darn shame we have to pretend in order to be able to answer for each other in those times of need.  We also have medical directives which we have copies of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jpeckjr,</p>
<p>my husband and I have multiple copies of our marriage liscence for just the reason you stated.  I also took his last name in case we are out of our equality state.  (As often occurs in any relationship, we now bear a striking resemblence to each other) We can say we are &#8220;brothers&#8221; if we are ever in need in a trip cross country, and it&#8217;s a darn shame we have to pretend in order to be able to answer for each other in those times of need.  We also have medical directives which we have copies of.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/20/51147/comment-page-1#comment-180083</link>
		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While working on my own living will / health care agent / advanced health care directive, I learned that in my state, the law is &quot;ambiguous&quot; about who is legal next-of-kin.  That is, it does not specify which legal or blood relative is responsible for health care decisions.  Even my state&#039;s marriage laws (one man, one woman) do not specify that the spouse is the legal next of kin in all cases for health care.

My attorney told me in the absence of a clear health care agent appointment, the hospital / doctor will defer to the spouse / oldest child / oldest sibling.  A legal case can be made that those people are &quot;next-of-kin.&quot;  

He also thought married same-sex couples should have a copy of their marriage license handy, not that an opposite-sex couple would be asked to prove they are legally married.

He advises all adults -- single, married, gay, straight, living alone, living with others -- to designate a health care agent and an alternate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While working on my own living will / health care agent / advanced health care directive, I learned that in my state, the law is &#8220;ambiguous&#8221; about who is legal next-of-kin.  That is, it does not specify which legal or blood relative is responsible for health care decisions.  Even my state&#8217;s marriage laws (one man, one woman) do not specify that the spouse is the legal next of kin in all cases for health care.</p>
<p>My attorney told me in the absence of a clear health care agent appointment, the hospital / doctor will defer to the spouse / oldest child / oldest sibling.  A legal case can be made that those people are &#8220;next-of-kin.&#8221;  </p>
<p>He also thought married same-sex couples should have a copy of their marriage license handy, not that an opposite-sex couple would be asked to prove they are legally married.</p>
<p>He advises all adults &#8212; single, married, gay, straight, living alone, living with others &#8212; to designate a health care agent and an alternate.</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus wrote,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Sorry, but it’s sort of depressing that straights apparently need to be reminded that same-sex couples love and commit the same way they do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Straight people are used to thinking they are the only people who exist, and that everyone else is an insignificant exception.  Those who think this way includes many straight people who see themselves as non-homophobic.  &quot;How men feel&quot; is always how exclusively-heterosexual men feel, ditto with women; &quot;growing up&quot; is always about straight teens -- and &quot;couples&quot; always means opposite sex couples.  Straight people are only starting to get used to the idea that in the normal day to day world, gay and bisexual people exist, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>Sorry, but it’s sort of depressing that straights apparently need to be reminded that same-sex couples love and commit the same way they do.</p></blockquote>
<p>Straight people are used to thinking they are the only people who exist, and that everyone else is an insignificant exception.  Those who think this way includes many straight people who see themselves as non-homophobic.  &#8220;How men feel&#8221; is always how exclusively-heterosexual men feel, ditto with women; &#8220;growing up&#8221; is always about straight teens &#8212; and &#8220;couples&#8221; always means opposite sex couples.  Straight people are only starting to get used to the idea that in the normal day to day world, gay and bisexual people exist, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/20/51147/comment-page-1#comment-179529</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NAA,

I&#039;ve been seeing an odd situation emerge - one that I hadn&#039;t predicted.  I&#039;m not sure if it holds true in you friends&#039; example, but here it is:

Repeatedly I&#039;ve seen stories in which a person dies and the remaining partner has to get permission for every detail from a sibling or cousin.  But rather than see this as their right as &quot;next of kin&quot;, it infuriates the sibling who loved the couple and now sees the parter put in an unfair and humiliating position.  

And then suddenly a new angry straight advocate for equality is created.  Who then tells all their straight friends about how unfair and cruel it is to deny rights to gay couples.

I don&#039;t think NOM ever expected that.

It makes me smile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NAA,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been seeing an odd situation emerge &#8211; one that I hadn&#8217;t predicted.  I&#8217;m not sure if it holds true in you friends&#8217; example, but here it is:</p>
<p>Repeatedly I&#8217;ve seen stories in which a person dies and the remaining partner has to get permission for every detail from a sibling or cousin.  But rather than see this as their right as &#8220;next of kin&#8221;, it infuriates the sibling who loved the couple and now sees the parter put in an unfair and humiliating position.  </p>
<p>And then suddenly a new angry straight advocate for equality is created.  Who then tells all their straight friends about how unfair and cruel it is to deny rights to gay couples.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think NOM ever expected that.</p>
<p>It makes me smile.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jpeckjr

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jpeckjr</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Now An Agnostic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now An Agnostic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christians like Maggie, of NOM fame (or should it be shame?), say Marriage is not needed.  LGBT couples can accomplish the Marriage Contract through existing legal measures--i.e. spending a couple thousand dollars for the services of a good estate lawyer.

My good Lesbian friends did just that.  Their assests were significant, but they are far from wealthy.   They hired a lawyer to put everything they owned into a trust.  They planned to protect each other.  Each little change to the trust required another thousand dollars or so for the lawyer&#039;s services.  They thought they had everything taken care of.

When Jean died at 67 from pancreatic cancer, after 40 years together, Rose discovered AZ law trumped anything they could have done legally.  Rose had no legal custody of her partner&#039;s body--well, as Executor of the estate she would have if there were no blood relatives living.  But, the Executor comes at the bottom of the list.  Rose had to get legal consent from Jean&#039;s sister for the cremation.  In this case, the sister&#039;s children are beneficiaries of the trust so there were no problems.

Just another story for same sex civil marriage.  Yes.  What it is called DOES mean everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians like Maggie, of NOM fame (or should it be shame?), say Marriage is not needed.  LGBT couples can accomplish the Marriage Contract through existing legal measures&#8211;i.e. spending a couple thousand dollars for the services of a good estate lawyer.</p>
<p>My good Lesbian friends did just that.  Their assests were significant, but they are far from wealthy.   They hired a lawyer to put everything they owned into a trust.  They planned to protect each other.  Each little change to the trust required another thousand dollars or so for the lawyer&#8217;s services.  They thought they had everything taken care of.</p>
<p>When Jean died at 67 from pancreatic cancer, after 40 years together, Rose discovered AZ law trumped anything they could have done legally.  Rose had no legal custody of her partner&#8217;s body&#8211;well, as Executor of the estate she would have if there were no blood relatives living.  But, the Executor comes at the bottom of the list.  Rose had to get legal consent from Jean&#8217;s sister for the cremation.  In this case, the sister&#8217;s children are beneficiaries of the trust so there were no problems.</p>
<p>Just another story for same sex civil marriage.  Yes.  What it is called DOES mean everything.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Timothy.  What&#039;s that supposed to mean, huh?  Is that a song reference or something? 

You better be good to me, Kincaid.  I know where you blog! :-))

(apologies for turning the thread into a Tina Turner comment-off)

Rob&#039;s original post is very powerful and Don&#039;s comment speaks real truth about real commitment.  Thanks to both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Timothy.  What&#8217;s that supposed to mean, huh?  Is that a song reference or something? </p>
<p>You better be good to me, Kincaid.  I know where you blog! :-))</p>
<p>(apologies for turning the thread into a Tina Turner comment-off)</p>
<p>Rob&#8217;s original post is very powerful and Don&#8217;s comment speaks real truth about real commitment.  Thanks to both.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My partner of 27 years has AIDS, diabeties, has had a liver transplant and now is on dialysis due to kidney failure from the drugs needed to prevent rejection (not uncommon in some cases).  It has never once occured to me to leave him despite the hardships we have had to endure. (Can certain republican politians make the same claim?) Maggie Gallegher thinks gay relationships are only about the sex; we all know that our relationships are no different than straight relationships. I think my commitment thru every illness has shown to his family, to my family, to our neighbors and to our co-workers that gay or straight, partners care for each other; in sickness or in health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner of 27 years has AIDS, diabeties, has had a liver transplant and now is on dialysis due to kidney failure from the drugs needed to prevent rejection (not uncommon in some cases).  It has never once occured to me to leave him despite the hardships we have had to endure. (Can certain republican politians make the same claim?) Maggie Gallegher thinks gay relationships are only about the sex; we all know that our relationships are no different than straight relationships. I think my commitment thru every illness has shown to his family, to my family, to our neighbors and to our co-workers that gay or straight, partners care for each other; in sickness or in health.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but it&#039;s sort of depressing that straights apparently need to be reminded that same-sex couples love and commit the same way they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but it&#8217;s sort of depressing that straights apparently need to be reminded that same-sex couples love and commit the same way they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 00:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;If it’s all about the children, what’s love and commitment got to do with it?&lt;/I&gt;

It&#039;s a second hand emotion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If it’s all about the children, what’s love and commitment got to do with it?</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a second hand emotion</p>
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