Comments on: Where Are The Religious Leaders? http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:49:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: customartist http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181747 customartist Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:15:03 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181747 Rick Warren has been on CBS & CNN diverting attention from Uganda by selling his book. No mention of Uganda. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/show/?s=generalcomments&hdln=4 CBS: 212-975-3247 (betw. 10:00-11:30 a.m. specifically) Whitehouse: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments Rick Warren has been on CBS & CNN diverting attention from Uganda by selling his book. No mention of Uganda.

CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/show/?s=generalcomments&hdln=4

CBS: 212-975-3247
(betw. 10:00-11:30 a.m. specifically)

Whitehouse:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

]]> By: Ian Streeter http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181699 Ian Streeter Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:10:19 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181699 Where indeed? Where is the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Peter Jensen? He has close links with Uganda's Anglicans, and benefits from their support in his church politicking. Yet, despite a number of requests, he can't bring himself to make any comment on the this legislation. Where indeed? Where is the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Peter Jensen? He has close links with Uganda’s Anglicans, and benefits from their support in his church politicking. Yet, despite a number of requests, he can’t bring himself to make any comment on the this legislation.

]]> By: customartist http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181456 customartist Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:14:41 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181456 Tell Obama: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments He has some newly found cred. Tell Obama:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

He has some newly found cred.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181286 Timothy Kincaid Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:23:28 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181286 <i>Actually, I think a substantial number of moderate Christians do speak out, BUT they don’t do it in the name of God. So that leaves the impression that only the CCs are speaking for God.</i> I think you are mistaken. I challenge you to look a bit and you'll see that at event after event, small town council meetings, Minnesota State Fair, whatever it is there are people there wearing collars and calling for equality in the name of God. It's just that these voices NEVER make it onto the news. They just aren't as interesting as the screaming lunatics spewing hate and, besides, it just doesn't fit nicely into the predetermined boxes that the media loves to fit people in. No one says, "gay marriage is the topic so lets get a pro-gay preacher and an anti-gay preacher". Instead they say "let's get a gay activist and an anti-gay preacher". And it leaves the impression that all gay people are anti-religious and all religious people are anti-gay. Actually, I think a substantial number of moderate Christians do speak out, BUT they don’t do it in the name of God. So that leaves the impression that only the CCs are speaking for God.

I think you are mistaken.

I challenge you to look a bit and you’ll see that at event after event, small town council meetings, Minnesota State Fair, whatever it is there are people there wearing collars and calling for equality in the name of God.

It’s just that these voices NEVER make it onto the news. They just aren’t as interesting as the screaming lunatics spewing hate and, besides, it just doesn’t fit nicely into the predetermined boxes that the media loves to fit people in.

No one says, “gay marriage is the topic so lets get a pro-gay preacher and an anti-gay preacher”. Instead they say “let’s get a gay activist and an anti-gay preacher”. And it leaves the impression that all gay people are anti-religious and all religious people are anti-gay.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181284 Timothy Kincaid Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:19:17 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181284 <i>Yeah, this is pure nativity.</i> Well it is Christmas, after all. Yeah, this is pure nativity.

Well it is Christmas, after all.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181283 Timothy Kincaid Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:18:41 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181283 <i>“American Christian faith leaders” like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes actively support efforts in this country to put our rights up for a vote (and have them taken away), so why would anyone think they would they try to influence their friends in Uganda not to?</i> Because Rick Warren has already done so. It was three years ago, but it wasn't "never". It's easy to assume that those who oppose our rights are evil ogres living in a cave and that there is no limit to their hatred. In fact, I regularly see such thought trotted out. But this is simplistic and hurts our ability to find commonality. We should recognize that many of the fears that we have about those we label "enemy" are no more accurate than their fears about us. “American Christian faith leaders” like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes actively support efforts in this country to put our rights up for a vote (and have them taken away), so why would anyone think they would they try to influence their friends in Uganda not to?

Because Rick Warren has already done so. It was three years ago, but it wasn’t “never”.

It’s easy to assume that those who oppose our rights are evil ogres living in a cave and that there is no limit to their hatred. In fact, I regularly see such thought trotted out. But this is simplistic and hurts our ability to find commonality.

We should recognize that many of the fears that we have about those we label “enemy” are no more accurate than their fears about us.

]]> By: Richard Rush http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181268 Richard Rush Wed, 28 Nov 2012 00:51:46 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181268 People like to believe the problem is only with the <i>Crackerjack Christians</i> (CCs), but to a large degree it’s also with the so-called <i>moderates</i> who help enable and give some credibility to the CCs. If a moderate believes in just the basics (that God exists, inspired the Bible, hears prayers, and has a son who died for their sins, was resurrected in three days, then rose into heaven, etc., etc.) then they are giving credibility to about 85% of the beliefs. The CCs then just carry it all over the top. I think the CCs have as much of a case for taking the Bible literally as moderates do for twisting it every which way to make it say what they want it to say. I, of course, believe it’s all superstitious nonsense. Actually, I think a substantial number of moderate Christians do speak out, BUT they don't do it in the name of God. So that leaves the impression that only the CCs are speaking for God. People like to believe the problem is only with the Crackerjack Christians (CCs), but to a large degree it’s also with the so-called moderates who help enable and give some credibility to the CCs. If a moderate believes in just the basics (that God exists, inspired the Bible, hears prayers, and has a son who died for their sins, was resurrected in three days, then rose into heaven, etc., etc.) then they are giving credibility to about 85% of the beliefs. The CCs then just carry it all over the top. I think the CCs have as much of a case for taking the Bible literally as moderates do for twisting it every which way to make it say what they want it to say. I, of course, believe it’s all superstitious nonsense.

Actually, I think a substantial number of moderate Christians do speak out, BUT they don’t do it in the name of God. So that leaves the impression that only the CCs are speaking for God.

]]> By: Lord_Byron http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181197 Lord_Byron Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:34:19 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181197 Since when is Uganda a prosperous nation? I really wish these bigoted fundies would stop with the god bs. Since when is Uganda a prosperous nation? I really wish these bigoted fundies would stop with the god bs.

]]> By: Steve http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181192 Steve Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:07:39 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181192 Yeah, this is pure nativity. Did anyone really expect anything else? Christians will always be Christians Yeah, this is pure nativity. Did anyone really expect anything else? Christians will always be Christians

]]> By: Ben in Oakland http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/11/27/51356/comment-page-1#comment-181181 Ben in Oakland Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:53:05 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=51356#comment-181181 Though things are certainly better in this country than they were as far as "religious leaders" go, much the same question can still be asked. here the hell are they? Though things are certainly better in this country than they were as far as “religious leaders” go, much the same question can still be asked.

here the hell are they?

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