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	<title>Comments on: Who Are These Old-Fashioned Straights So Eager to Ditch Marriage?</title>
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		<title>By: Neon Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, there has not – to my knowledge – been one single solitary heterosexual couple on the planet who has been identified and documented to refuse legal recognition for their marriage due to same-sex couples being granted rights.&quot;

Maybe Marcus Bachmann will come out if gay marriage is legalized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, there has not – to my knowledge – been one single solitary heterosexual couple on the planet who has been identified and documented to refuse legal recognition for their marriage due to same-sex couples being granted rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Marcus Bachmann will come out if gay marriage is legalized?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really obvious that Jones let his Mormon faith influence his decision in its entirety. He is a Mormon bishop with a BYU degree and shouldn&#039;t be a judge in the first place. This shows why.

The judge in the Hawaii case was a Mormon too I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really obvious that Jones let his Mormon faith influence his decision in its entirety. He is a Mormon bishop with a BYU degree and shouldn&#8217;t be a judge in the first place. This shows why.</p>
<p>The judge in the Hawaii case was a Mormon too I think.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT_Doom</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPT_Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another related question - why would same-sex marriages be the catalyst for conservatives to abandon the institution of marriage when so many heterosexual relationships that fail to meet their definition of marriage nonetheless are considered marriages by the state? What is worse about Bob &amp; Larry getting hitched in a world where Newt &amp; Calista, Maggie G &amp; her 2nd baby daddy and the Menendez brothers &amp; their prison pen pals are all considered married?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another related question &#8211; why would same-sex marriages be the catalyst for conservatives to abandon the institution of marriage when so many heterosexual relationships that fail to meet their definition of marriage nonetheless are considered marriages by the state? What is worse about Bob &amp; Larry getting hitched in a world where Newt &amp; Calista, Maggie G &amp; her 2nd baby daddy and the Menendez brothers &amp; their prison pen pals are all considered married?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that we can identify and document heterosexual couples who have chosen not to marry until gay couples may do so.  They are not theoretical, speculative, or the objects of some logic game.

However, there has not - to my knowledge - been one single solitary heterosexual couple on the planet who has been identified and documented to refuse legal recognition for their marriage due to same-sex couples being granted rights.

And yet, as absurd as it seems to us, perhaps Judge Jones is more willing to accept the notion of &#039;religious ceremony only with no legal rights&#039; marriage.  There is, after all, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Latter-Day-Saints/2006/09/A-Second-Wifes-Tale.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one community&lt;/a&gt; that does exactly that.  And Jones is much more likely to be aware of their existence than the rest of us.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that we can identify and document heterosexual couples who have chosen not to marry until gay couples may do so.  They are not theoretical, speculative, or the objects of some logic game.</p>
<p>However, there has not &#8211; to my knowledge &#8211; been one single solitary heterosexual couple on the planet who has been identified and documented to refuse legal recognition for their marriage due to same-sex couples being granted rights.</p>
<p>And yet, as absurd as it seems to us, perhaps Judge Jones is more willing to accept the notion of &#8216;religious ceremony only with no legal rights&#8217; marriage.  There is, after all, <a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Latter-Day-Saints/2006/09/A-Second-Wifes-Tale.aspx" rel="nofollow">one community</a> that does exactly that.  And Jones is much more likely to be aware of their existence than the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben In Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben In Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neon, the gays have verything to do with everything. That&#039;s how we cause civilizations to fallm doncha know?

Nero has sex with the handsome centurion, and the next thing you know, the huns are invading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neon, the gays have verything to do with everything. That&#8217;s how we cause civilizations to fallm doncha know?</p>
<p>Nero has sex with the handsome centurion, and the next thing you know, the huns are invading.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among the nations that do have lower birth rates, the reason why the birth rates are decreasing is because couples are marrying later because they want to work first and actually have a life before they settle down and have kids.  The reason has absolutely nothing to do with gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among the nations that do have lower birth rates, the reason why the birth rates are decreasing is because couples are marrying later because they want to work first and actually have a life before they settle down and have kids.  The reason has absolutely nothing to do with gays.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben In Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben In Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to think about it is this. What kind of people would abandon the sacred insitution of marriage,God&#039;s holy plan for humanity, the cornerstone of civilization, the legitimizer of love, faith, and family, if Ben and Paul, or even Rob and Will, get married?

Why, that would be people who so despise gay people, are so disgusted by gay people, who think of us as so much lesser human beibngs than they are that they would abandon God&#039;s plan and the cornerstone of civilization -- rahter htan allow our filthy sodomitical hands on it.

Doesn&#039;t that remind you just a little bit of someone standing outside a state university, ax handle in grubby paw, screaming &quot;Segregation now! Segregation forever!&quot; Maybe it reminds you a little of the lady in &quot;The Help&quot; who had to have a separate bathroom in her home for her maid, lest those big black cooties get on the toilet seat and give her the heebie-jeebies, or jazz, or something. Or maybe it reminds you of &quot;those people&quot; who had to be cleansed from pure German society, or bure serbian society, or pure hutu society, or pure magyar society?

Do you know what we call those people? We call them bigots,.

And since when did bigotry become a basis for good public policy in a democratic soicety?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to think about it is this. What kind of people would abandon the sacred insitution of marriage,God&#8217;s holy plan for humanity, the cornerstone of civilization, the legitimizer of love, faith, and family, if Ben and Paul, or even Rob and Will, get married?</p>
<p>Why, that would be people who so despise gay people, are so disgusted by gay people, who think of us as so much lesser human beibngs than they are that they would abandon God&#8217;s plan and the cornerstone of civilization &#8212; rahter htan allow our filthy sodomitical hands on it.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t that remind you just a little bit of someone standing outside a state university, ax handle in grubby paw, screaming &#8220;Segregation now! Segregation forever!&#8221; Maybe it reminds you a little of the lady in &#8220;The Help&#8221; who had to have a separate bathroom in her home for her maid, lest those big black cooties get on the toilet seat and give her the heebie-jeebies, or jazz, or something. Or maybe it reminds you of &#8220;those people&#8221; who had to be cleansed from pure German society, or bure serbian society, or pure hutu society, or pure magyar society?</p>
<p>Do you know what we call those people? We call them bigots,.</p>
<p>And since when did bigotry become a basis for good public policy in a democratic soicety?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue that marriage inequality would prove a bigger turn off to straight couples marrying than allowing same-sex couples to marry. 

Marriage equality is a latter stage of the societal sort through brought about by legalising homosexuality. Anti-gay discrimination will become more offensive over time, particularly to younger generations. 

In France, where civil unions are available to all but marriage has been restricted to opposite sex couples, straight couples now opting for the Pacte civil de solidarité in larger numbers than for &quot;traditional&quot; marriage.

It&#039;s ironic that the very people claiming to defend marriage are effectively arguing for the institution to be bound to a pseudo-traditional definition that will ultimately undermine its status as being outmoded and stuffy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue that marriage inequality would prove a bigger turn off to straight couples marrying than allowing same-sex couples to marry. </p>
<p>Marriage equality is a latter stage of the societal sort through brought about by legalising homosexuality. Anti-gay discrimination will become more offensive over time, particularly to younger generations. </p>
<p>In France, where civil unions are available to all but marriage has been restricted to opposite sex couples, straight couples now opting for the Pacte civil de solidarité in larger numbers than for &#8220;traditional&#8221; marriage.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that the very people claiming to defend marriage are effectively arguing for the institution to be bound to a pseudo-traditional definition that will ultimately undermine its status as being outmoded and stuffy.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real question is why does it matter if couples decide to have their marriages sanctioned by the state or not?  This is what freedom is all about.  The freedom to choose whether to be married or not.  But apparently the Religious Right doesn&#039;t believe in freedom and not only do they want to ban gays from getting married, they want to force all straight couples to be married too even if they don&#039;t want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question is why does it matter if couples decide to have their marriages sanctioned by the state or not?  This is what freedom is all about.  The freedom to choose whether to be married or not.  But apparently the Religious Right doesn&#8217;t believe in freedom and not only do they want to ban gays from getting married, they want to force all straight couples to be married too even if they don&#8217;t want to.</p>
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