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		<title>By: Sandhorse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/12/10/51804/comment-page-1#comment-190846</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandhorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piggybacking on your second reply Tim there is something to be said for the Pre-Adamite hypothesis.  Especially considering how the pre-adamite earth environment may have been involved in the flood of Noah.  And how said environment would have affected the human physique and lifespan.  

Not to mention the ‘high drama’ contained in the pre-adamite storyline.  

If nothing else, it would no doubt make an interesting sci-fi movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piggybacking on your second reply Tim there is something to be said for the Pre-Adamite hypothesis.  Especially considering how the pre-adamite earth environment may have been involved in the flood of Noah.  And how said environment would have affected the human physique and lifespan.  </p>
<p>Not to mention the ‘high drama’ contained in the pre-adamite storyline.  </p>
<p>If nothing else, it would no doubt make an interesting sci-fi movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandhorse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/12/10/51804/comment-page-1#comment-190835</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandhorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, just for the record, I wasn&#039;t making an assumption so much as using bad Google search criteria.  

Looking back in my search history I asked &#039;where were humans 2 million years ago?&#039; as apposed to the 200 million for which I was looking.  So Priya&#039;s timetable is 100% correct.

I had also considered that the moons rate of orbit decay may be increasing with time which would of course affect the outcome.  

But again, 6,000 or 6,000,000,000; I am not threatened by either.  I&#039;m just not convinced of the latter and skeptical of the former.  

But I agree Tim, anytime someone states their conclusions are absolute piques my incredulity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, just for the record, I wasn&#8217;t making an assumption so much as using bad Google search criteria.  </p>
<p>Looking back in my search history I asked &#8216;where were humans 2 million years ago?&#8217; as apposed to the 200 million for which I was looking.  So Priya&#8217;s timetable is 100% correct.</p>
<p>I had also considered that the moons rate of orbit decay may be increasing with time which would of course affect the outcome.  </p>
<p>But again, 6,000 or 6,000,000,000; I am not threatened by either.  I&#8217;m just not convinced of the latter and skeptical of the former.  </p>
<p>But I agree Tim, anytime someone states their conclusions are absolute piques my incredulity.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theory currently is that all humans are descended from one woman 150,000 to 200,000 years ago, &quot;Mitochondrial Eve&quot;.  Our matrilinial lineage (mother&#039;s mother&#039;s mother, etc.) goes back to the same female protohuman.

We don&#039;t really know that this Eve was unique in any way or that there was some genetic advantage that resulted in her mitochondria being passed on.  And, for all we know, there were other women from whom we all descend (for example, supposing that Eve was monogamous, her mate&#039;s mother would also be the mother of all humanity - we just wouldn&#039;t have her mitochondria).

But this Eve theory is one that was unknown until the late 80&#039;s.  Prior to that time, it was not believed that all humanity evolved from one woman.

For me, this is fascinating as it &quot;makes true&quot;, in a sense, both the evolutionary model and the &quot;Adam and Eve&quot; story (I don&#039;t take Genesis literally - I see it as allegorical and descriptive of things that were conceptually beyond the thinking of a nomadic bronze age tribe).

I don&#039;t need to believe in a common ancestor to all humanity in order to see truth and value in the Genesis story, but it is astonishing to me how closely some aspects of the two ideas mirror.  I wonder how much was known by Egyptians and recorded in story form in Hebrew scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theory currently is that all humans are descended from one woman 150,000 to 200,000 years ago, &#8220;Mitochondrial Eve&#8221;.  Our matrilinial lineage (mother&#8217;s mother&#8217;s mother, etc.) goes back to the same female protohuman.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t really know that this Eve was unique in any way or that there was some genetic advantage that resulted in her mitochondria being passed on.  And, for all we know, there were other women from whom we all descend (for example, supposing that Eve was monogamous, her mate&#8217;s mother would also be the mother of all humanity &#8211; we just wouldn&#8217;t have her mitochondria).</p>
<p>But this Eve theory is one that was unknown until the late 80&#8242;s.  Prior to that time, it was not believed that all humanity evolved from one woman.</p>
<p>For me, this is fascinating as it &#8220;makes true&#8221;, in a sense, both the evolutionary model and the &#8220;Adam and Eve&#8221; story (I don&#8217;t take Genesis literally &#8211; I see it as allegorical and descriptive of things that were conceptually beyond the thinking of a nomadic bronze age tribe).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to believe in a common ancestor to all humanity in order to see truth and value in the Genesis story, but it is astonishing to me how closely some aspects of the two ideas mirror.  I wonder how much was known by Egyptians and recorded in story form in Hebrew scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/12/10/51804/comment-page-1#comment-190809</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandhorse,

As Priya Lynn illustrates, your assumptions were incorrect.  However, your point is a good one.

I think that we need to be careful not to be dogmatic about any beliefs about which we simply cannot know.  

I think that the evolutionary model seems like a logical one and that it is our best guess at present.  The evidence to date seems to support that model.  

But it may all be swept away in twenty years by compelling evidence of some other explanation.  For all I know, the Flying Spaghetti Monster may show up and explain it all.

Which is to say, never trust those who are absolutely certain about that which cannot be certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandhorse,</p>
<p>As Priya Lynn illustrates, your assumptions were incorrect.  However, your point is a good one.</p>
<p>I think that we need to be careful not to be dogmatic about any beliefs about which we simply cannot know.  </p>
<p>I think that the evolutionary model seems like a logical one and that it is our best guess at present.  The evidence to date seems to support that model.  </p>
<p>But it may all be swept away in twenty years by compelling evidence of some other explanation.  For all I know, the Flying Spaghetti Monster may show up and explain it all.</p>
<p>Which is to say, never trust those who are absolutely certain about that which cannot be certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humans as we are today appeared about 200,000 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans as we are today appeared about 200,000 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandhorse, man was not walking upright and making tools 150 million years ago, man did not exist 150 million years ago.


The first tool making humans were homo habilis which appeared aproximately 2 million years ago and the first upright walking proto-humans appeared about 4 million years ago.

The rate at which the moon moves away from the earth has varied considerably over the history of our solar system, so one cannot take the current rate and extrapolate to a time when the moon was formed.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_moon_moving_away_from_earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandhorse, man was not walking upright and making tools 150 million years ago, man did not exist 150 million years ago.</p>
<p>The first tool making humans were homo habilis which appeared aproximately 2 million years ago and the first upright walking proto-humans appeared about 4 million years ago.</p>
<p>The rate at which the moon moves away from the earth has varied considerably over the history of our solar system, so one cannot take the current rate and extrapolate to a time when the moon was formed.</p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_moon_moving_away_from_earth" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_moon_moving_away_from_earth</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A scientific fact: The &quot;Christian Bible&quot; was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek NOT ENGLISH.  English is  a translation of the before mentioned languages. People who deny or fail to recognize that a translation, without the &quot;sitz en liben&quot; is flawed.

I hope this information will be helpful to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A scientific fact: The &#8220;Christian Bible&#8221; was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek NOT ENGLISH.  English is  a translation of the before mentioned languages. People who deny or fail to recognize that a translation, without the &#8220;sitz en liben&#8221; is flawed.</p>
<p>I hope this information will be helpful to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandhorse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandhorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, 

I&#039;m not so much of a biblical literalist to see the bible as a science book, nor a book about astronomy.  

However, I have a hard time believing the earth is &#039;billions&#039; of years old.  

This assumption just doesn&#039;t jive with the observable facts about the Sun increasing in size and radiation output and the moon measurably moving away from the earth.

Take the second fact for example.  

The moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 centimeters per year, or one foot approximately every 8 years. (30.48 cm divided by 3.8 cm = 8.02)

The moon is 238,900 miles away from the earth or roughly 1,261,392,000 feet from earth.  (238,900 x 5,280 = 1,261,392,000)

If the above numbers are correct, (and I will freely admit math was never my strong suit) the earth was moving along the surface of the earth (or being birthed from the earth depending on your theory) near about 150 million years ago, or put in evolutionary terms, when man was walking upright and making rudimentary tools.  

What a sight either spectacle would have been to behold by early man.  I should hope they knew how to swim as the tide must have been a real drowner..er downer as well. 

I suppose I must be missing something…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so much of a biblical literalist to see the bible as a science book, nor a book about astronomy.  </p>
<p>However, I have a hard time believing the earth is &#8216;billions&#8217; of years old.  </p>
<p>This assumption just doesn&#8217;t jive with the observable facts about the Sun increasing in size and radiation output and the moon measurably moving away from the earth.</p>
<p>Take the second fact for example.  </p>
<p>The moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 centimeters per year, or one foot approximately every 8 years. (30.48 cm divided by 3.8 cm = 8.02)</p>
<p>The moon is 238,900 miles away from the earth or roughly 1,261,392,000 feet from earth.  (238,900 x 5,280 = 1,261,392,000)</p>
<p>If the above numbers are correct, (and I will freely admit math was never my strong suit) the earth was moving along the surface of the earth (or being birthed from the earth depending on your theory) near about 150 million years ago, or put in evolutionary terms, when man was walking upright and making rudimentary tools.  </p>
<p>What a sight either spectacle would have been to behold by early man.  I should hope they knew how to swim as the tide must have been a real drowner..er downer as well. </p>
<p>I suppose I must be missing something…</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s frightening how many Americans buy into this anti-science. If you&#039;re up for a good laugh (or a good cry), check out the heated debate that went on at One News Now.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2012/12/10/christian-broadcaster-straying-from-scripture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s frightening how many Americans buy into this anti-science. If you&#8217;re up for a good laugh (or a good cry), check out the heated debate that went on at One News Now.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2012/12/10/christian-broadcaster-straying-from-scripture" rel="nofollow">http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2012/12/10/christian-broadcaster-straying-from-scripture</a></p>
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		<title>By: ZRAinSWVA</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/12/10/51804/comment-page-1#comment-190682</link>
		<dc:creator>ZRAinSWVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And reading the comments on the above linked website just make me want to weep. 

There&#039;s no discussion with folks like those. None.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And reading the comments on the above linked website just make me want to weep. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no discussion with folks like those. None.</p>
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