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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Actually, the Texas statute was specifically directed at same-sex conduct. This was the reason that Justice O&#039;Connor, who actually was part of the Bowers majority (in finding criminalization of same-sex sex constitutional), did NOT join the Lawrence majority in overruling Bowers. So, she did not agree that there is a right to privacy. What she did agree with was that Texas statute was unconstitutional, because it targeted same-sex couples only. 

Text is right here: http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/539/558/case.html

My point to Ryan was that there was no finding of a &quot;protected class&quot; in Lawrence. What there was - was finding of a fundamental right to privacy and an Equal Protection discrimination, but no finding of a protected class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Actually, the Texas statute was specifically directed at same-sex conduct. This was the reason that Justice O&#8217;Connor, who actually was part of the Bowers majority (in finding criminalization of same-sex sex constitutional), did NOT join the Lawrence majority in overruling Bowers. So, she did not agree that there is a right to privacy. What she did agree with was that Texas statute was unconstitutional, because it targeted same-sex couples only. </p>
<p>Text is right here: <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/539/558/case.html" rel="nofollow">http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/539/558/case.html</a></p>
<p>My point to Ryan was that there was no finding of a &#8220;protected class&#8221; in Lawrence. What there was &#8211; was finding of a fundamental right to privacy and an Equal Protection discrimination, but no finding of a protected class.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor, the anti-sodomy laws were not just for gay people, they were on the books for everyone. They were mostly only enforced on gay people.  And I think the law was struck down because it prohibited consenual private activity between two consenting adults, which is an invasion of their privacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor, the anti-sodomy laws were not just for gay people, they were on the books for everyone. They were mostly only enforced on gay people.  And I think the law was struck down because it prohibited consenual private activity between two consenting adults, which is an invasion of their privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I guess I must be missing something. After all, he is a Supreme Court justice, and I’m a nobody.&lt;/i&gt;

And yet ... if you told me it was raining and Scalia told me that the sun was shining, I&#039;d carry an umbrella.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I guess I must be missing something. After all, he is a Supreme Court justice, and I’m a nobody.</i></p>
<p>And yet &#8230; if you told me it was raining and Scalia told me that the sun was shining, I&#8217;d carry an umbrella.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

Check the Lawrence case. It doesn&#039;t actually recognize gays as a suspect class under 14th Amendment. If it did, we&#039;d probably already have marriage equality throughout the country. The majority (5) recognized the fundamental right to consensual same-sex sex.

And if you are talking of 6 Justices, O&#039;Connor would have been fine if sodomy was banned for everyone, but it wasn&#039;t. As far as I remember, her argument was that the law targeted gays and not heterosexuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>Check the Lawrence case. It doesn&#8217;t actually recognize gays as a suspect class under 14th Amendment. If it did, we&#8217;d probably already have marriage equality throughout the country. The majority (5) recognized the fundamental right to consensual same-sex sex.</p>
<p>And if you are talking of 6 Justices, O&#8217;Connor would have been fine if sodomy was banned for everyone, but it wasn&#8217;t. As far as I remember, her argument was that the law targeted gays and not heterosexuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consumerist, I agree. And I believe that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional. I hope that came across in my first post. But usually I only hear the first part from pro-gay rights people, the &quot;you can&#039;t base laws on morals&quot; part, which to me seems like a terrible argument, and plainly untrue, as many of our laws are just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumerist, I agree. And I believe that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional. I hope that came across in my first post. But usually I only hear the first part from pro-gay rights people, the &#8220;you can&#8217;t base laws on morals&#8221; part, which to me seems like a terrible argument, and plainly untrue, as many of our laws are just that.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, 

You cannot legislate morality IF the justification for said legislation is Un-Constitutional, to be most accurate.

Witholding rights can only be done to citizens who have broken the law.

Not being snippy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, </p>
<p>You cannot legislate morality IF the justification for said legislation is Un-Constitutional, to be most accurate.</p>
<p>Witholding rights can only be done to citizens who have broken the law.</p>
<p>Not being snippy.</p>
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		<title>By: MattNYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After some sleep, it occurred to me that what he does is the same thing that the White House did with the misleading Intel in the drive to war in Iraq.  I believe the intelligence community calls it &quot;stovepiping.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After some sleep, it occurred to me that what he does is the same thing that the White House did with the misleading Intel in the drive to war in Iraq.  I believe the intelligence community calls it &#8220;stovepiping.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: markanthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>markanthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scalia will have a complicated legacy certainly.   However in this case, he might be showing his hand.  This type of language isn&#039;t going to win over Kennedy or Roberts, and certainly not Ginsburg or Breyer.  Sounds like he is writing his angry dissent rather than a majority opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scalia will have a complicated legacy certainly.   However in this case, he might be showing his hand.  This type of language isn&#8217;t going to win over Kennedy or Roberts, and certainly not Ginsburg or Breyer.  Sounds like he is writing his angry dissent rather than a majority opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: MattNYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scalia&#039;s Judicial Philosophy can best be summed up:

A forgone (bigoted) conclusion in search of legal justification, no matter how tenuous, obscure or nebulous.  And written with as much anger as possible at the ninnies who are &quot;just too dumb to see what he sees.&quot;

If he sat on his porch and spewed his views at passers-by, someone would call the mental ward.  But Ronald F-ing Reagan dressed him in a robe and inflicted him upon us.  For that alone, &quot;St. Ronnie&quot; should be subjected to every last torture method in Hades...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scalia&#8217;s Judicial Philosophy can best be summed up:</p>
<p>A forgone (bigoted) conclusion in search of legal justification, no matter how tenuous, obscure or nebulous.  And written with as much anger as possible at the ninnies who are &#8220;just too dumb to see what he sees.&#8221;</p>
<p>If he sat on his porch and spewed his views at passers-by, someone would call the mental ward.  But Ronald F-ing Reagan dressed him in a robe and inflicted him upon us.  For that alone, &#8220;St. Ronnie&#8221; should be subjected to every last torture method in Hades&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s not making a Straw Man argument. Unfortunately, I often  hear liberals claiming &quot;you can&#039;t legislate morality&quot; and it always makes me cringe, because of course we can and do. However, the Lawrence v Texas case was not decided in our favor because the 6 justices thought legislating morality was unconstitutional,  but rather that gays were a protected class under the 14th Amendment.  So that&#039;s where his argument falls apart. And of course he&#039;s deliberately invoking &quot;gay&quot; and &quot;murder&quot; in the same sentence not because he thinks they&#039;re equivalent, but  because he&#039;s an asshole and a troll. May the history books remember his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s not making a Straw Man argument. Unfortunately, I often  hear liberals claiming &#8220;you can&#8217;t legislate morality&#8221; and it always makes me cringe, because of course we can and do. However, the Lawrence v Texas case was not decided in our favor because the 6 justices thought legislating morality was unconstitutional,  but rather that gays were a protected class under the 14th Amendment.  So that&#8217;s where his argument falls apart. And of course he&#8217;s deliberately invoking &#8220;gay&#8221; and &#8220;murder&#8221; in the same sentence not because he thinks they&#8217;re equivalent, but  because he&#8217;s an asshole and a troll. May the history books remember his name.</p>
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