Comments on: Federal Judge Expresses Doubt About Lawsuit Against Scott Lively http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/01/07/52468 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Thu, 23 May 2013 06:14:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Hunter http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/01/07/52468/comment-page-1#comment-224179 Hunter Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:54:59 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=52468#comment-224179 andrewdb: That was my thought -- if Lively's being defended by Liberty Counsel, CCR's in good shape. andrewdb:

That was my thought — if Lively’s being defended by Liberty Counsel, CCR’s in good shape.

]]> By: andrewdb http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/01/07/52468/comment-page-1#comment-223802 andrewdb Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:33:18 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=52468#comment-223802 I am a lawyer. The good news is Liberty Counsel aren't very good. I am a lawyer. The good news is Liberty Counsel aren’t very good.

]]> By: F Young http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/01/07/52468/comment-page-1#comment-223747 F Young Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:51:31 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=52468#comment-223747 Freedom of expression is not unlimited, even in the USA. There are laws against copyright infringement, disclosure of official secrets, false advertising, pornography, drug labeling, and torts like slander. Freedom of speech can also be limited by contract, as when an employee is fired for speaking badly of his employer, or a lawyer is disbarred for violating solicitor-client privilege. How is the classic case of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre to incite a stampede different from yelling "Gays are recruiting your children, etc." in a homophobic country that hardly has any rule of law, that has a history of civil violence and a neighbour that has engaged in ethnic genocide? While I am not a lawyer, personally, I think a bigger issue is whether it can be proved that Lively knew that what he said was false, and perhaps whether his hate speech was intended to provoke violence or some other tort? Or is it enough that he intented human rights violations?. He is on record as supporting the bill provided the death penalty is removed, even though it would still impose widespread violations of several human rights. Freedom of expression is not unlimited, even in the USA. There are laws against copyright infringement, disclosure of official secrets, false advertising, pornography, drug labeling, and torts like slander. Freedom of speech can also be limited by contract, as when an employee is fired for speaking badly of his employer, or a lawyer is disbarred for violating solicitor-client privilege.

How is the classic case of yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theatre to incite a stampede different from yelling “Gays are recruiting your children, etc.” in a homophobic country that hardly has any rule of law, that has a history of civil violence and a neighbour that has engaged in ethnic genocide?

While I am not a lawyer, personally, I think a bigger issue is whether it can be proved that Lively knew that what he said was false, and perhaps whether his hate speech was intended to provoke violence or some other tort?

Or is it enough that he intented human rights violations?. He is on record as supporting the bill provided the death penalty is removed, even though it would still impose widespread violations of several human rights.

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