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		<title>By: markanthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>markanthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DN, Thank you for the thoughtful response.   I believe that using Del. Bob, who is actually worse than your post suggests, actually strengthens the point that I made in a somewhat clumsy fashion.  

PW County, which is where the 13th district is located, is truly an ex-burb of DC.  It has a much larger population of African-Americans, lots of single family house with sizable yards, big bible churches.  It looks like the &quot;South&quot;.  Its an hour plus drive from Arlington and a completely different world.  

Arlington looks and feels more like a mix of a highly selective  private college campus and a high value business center.  Even its physical size is much smaller.   

The statement in the post is great, but I wonder if a similar statement from an official from Berkley Ca, Madison WI, or Miami Beach would have been considered noteworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DN, Thank you for the thoughtful response.   I believe that using Del. Bob, who is actually worse than your post suggests, actually strengthens the point that I made in a somewhat clumsy fashion.  </p>
<p>PW County, which is where the 13th district is located, is truly an ex-burb of DC.  It has a much larger population of African-Americans, lots of single family house with sizable yards, big bible churches.  It looks like the &#8220;South&#8221;.  Its an hour plus drive from Arlington and a completely different world.  </p>
<p>Arlington looks and feels more like a mix of a highly selective  private college campus and a high value business center.  Even its physical size is much smaller.   </p>
<p>The statement in the post is great, but I wonder if a similar statement from an official from Berkley Ca, Madison WI, or Miami Beach would have been considered noteworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunter, you are exactly right.  Humans are good at recognizing patterns - but it takes extra effort to recognize *big* patterns.

As to your comment, I would say that humans are great at resolving cognitive dissonance.  And for every gay person who is out and proud and just doing what he or she does and not giving a crap about what some &quot;holy&quot; book says - that creates cognitive dissonance with the fundies.


Either this person who I know and love and who I know to be a solid human being is a sinful piece of trash, or I&#039;m wrong in my &quot;theology.&quot;

For every single out gay person, we build support.  Let&#039;s keep at it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter, you are exactly right.  Humans are good at recognizing patterns &#8211; but it takes extra effort to recognize *big* patterns.</p>
<p>As to your comment, I would say that humans are great at resolving cognitive dissonance.  And for every gay person who is out and proud and just doing what he or she does and not giving a crap about what some &#8220;holy&#8221; book says &#8211; that creates cognitive dissonance with the fundies.</p>
<p>Either this person who I know and love and who I know to be a solid human being is a sinful piece of trash, or I&#8217;m wrong in my &#8220;theology.&#8221;</p>
<p>For every single out gay person, we build support.  Let&#8217;s keep at it :)</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyhybt, Michael C --

I&#039;m not sure that anti-gays will dismiss this kind of protest as pointless -- I think it&#039;s the sort of thing that worries them, if only subliminally:  we made no progress until we started becoming visible, and the tactic that has worked best has been to put a human face on LGBTs and not let the stereotypes stand unchallenged.  And I suspect that it&#039;s the smaller, local efforts that have the most impact:  it&#039;s easy to shrug off a demonstration in the streets of another city, but your neighbors at city hall, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyhybt, Michael C &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that anti-gays will dismiss this kind of protest as pointless &#8212; I think it&#8217;s the sort of thing that worries them, if only subliminally:  we made no progress until we started becoming visible, and the tactic that has worked best has been to put a human face on LGBTs and not let the stereotypes stand unchallenged.  And I suspect that it&#8217;s the smaller, local efforts that have the most impact:  it&#8217;s easy to shrug off a demonstration in the streets of another city, but your neighbors at city hall, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>markanthony, I mostly agree with you, and I would have pretty much completely agreed with you until I learned that Bob Marshall, known in Richmond as Sideshow Bob is born &amp; raised in the DC area and represents a district that is 100% Northern Virginia.

He&#039;s from Virginia&#039;s 13th district and I would post a link to a map of it, but it won&#039;t go through.

We have Bob Marshall to thank for making it illegal for a Virginia based company to give health benefits to gay partners.  We have him to thank for the confusing laws that won&#039;t stand constitutional scrutiny but which say that no two people of the same sex can enter any contract that substantially replicates the benefits of marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>markanthony, I mostly agree with you, and I would have pretty much completely agreed with you until I learned that Bob Marshall, known in Richmond as Sideshow Bob is born &amp; raised in the DC area and represents a district that is 100% Northern Virginia.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s from Virginia&#8217;s 13th district and I would post a link to a map of it, but it won&#8217;t go through.</p>
<p>We have Bob Marshall to thank for making it illegal for a Virginia based company to give health benefits to gay partners.  We have him to thank for the confusing laws that won&#8217;t stand constitutional scrutiny but which say that no two people of the same sex can enter any contract that substantially replicates the benefits of marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm . . . &quot;asking for what we don’t have. Personally, I think this is something we must always consider.&quot;

Well, yes &quot;consider,&quot; but &quot;actually asking&quot; really IS probably going to be much more useful. . . otherwise, lacking telepathy, most people won&#039;t know what we&#039;d like to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm . . . &#8220;asking for what we don’t have. Personally, I think this is something we must always consider.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, yes &#8220;consider,&#8221; but &#8220;actually asking&#8221; really IS probably going to be much more useful. . . otherwise, lacking telepathy, most people won&#8217;t know what we&#8217;d like to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael C-

Upon re-reading I see you are correct.

Hyhybt-

I thought you were saying something else, see Michael C&#039;s answer in reply.      :)


Hope everyone enjoys their week-end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael C-</p>
<p>Upon re-reading I see you are correct.</p>
<p>Hyhybt-</p>
<p>I thought you were saying something else, see Michael C&#8217;s answer in reply.      :)</p>
<p>Hope everyone enjoys their week-end.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert, I think Hyhybt was referring to the demonstration itself, not Ferguson&#039;s response to it.

Hyhybt, I agree that most anti-gay people will dismiss this public form of protest as being pointless and silly. That doesn&#039;t make it irrelevant. Some people are anti-gay, MOST people are simply unaware of gay people and what it means to be gay in the United States. Any action to put a face on marriage equality has a positive effect. Every effort to display a societal need for equality brings us closer to healthier and happier lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert, I think Hyhybt was referring to the demonstration itself, not Ferguson&#8217;s response to it.</p>
<p>Hyhybt, I agree that most anti-gay people will dismiss this public form of protest as being pointless and silly. That doesn&#8217;t make it irrelevant. Some people are anti-gay, MOST people are simply unaware of gay people and what it means to be gay in the United States. Any action to put a face on marriage equality has a positive effect. Every effort to display a societal need for equality brings us closer to healthier and happier lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyhybt,

Respectful responses to our community in this fight have been rare by these types of officials, if you can&#039;t see what type of effect that has, then you need to do some research on human behavior.  Signs and statments of support have ONLY been helpful in our movement. Dismissing them as &quot;nothing&quot; is to say we don&#039;t need your support, when in fact this is the way we get laws and views changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyhybt,</p>
<p>Respectful responses to our community in this fight have been rare by these types of officials, if you can&#8217;t see what type of effect that has, then you need to do some research on human behavior.  Signs and statments of support have ONLY been helpful in our movement. Dismissing them as &#8220;nothing&#8221; is to say we don&#8217;t need your support, when in fact this is the way we get laws and views changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyhybt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyhybt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t quite see how this is supposed to have any effect. Nobody at the courthouse has any power over this issue, and anyone on the other side seeing a report about it in the news is just going to dismiss it as silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t quite see how this is supposed to have any effect. Nobody at the courthouse has any power over this issue, and anyone on the other side seeing a report about it in the news is just going to dismiss it as silly.</p>
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		<title>By: markanthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>markanthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to put a damper this event, but Arlington County is only technically in Va.  It was originally a part of DC and there is nothing &quot;Southern&quot; about it.   Its much younger, wealthier and more liberal than the rest of the Va or the south at large.  The average education level probably higher than even many college towns.

This is a great project, but everyone in Arlington is already on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to put a damper this event, but Arlington County is only technically in Va.  It was originally a part of DC and there is nothing &#8220;Southern&#8221; about it.   Its much younger, wealthier and more liberal than the rest of the Va or the south at large.  The average education level probably higher than even many college towns.</p>
<p>This is a great project, but everyone in Arlington is already on board.</p>
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