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	<title>Comments on: Stronger and more controversial Colorado civil union bill to be heard Wednesday</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/01/21/52920/comment-page-1#comment-237136</link>
		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel G. Very informative and hopeful article. I always enjoy seeing your name at the header of an article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel G. Very informative and hopeful article. I always enjoy seeing your name at the header of an article.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Trouten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Trouten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We adopted about 5-6 years ago. I know many who had adopted before then and I know many who&#039;ve adopted since then.

Foster care is meant to be temporary. That&#039;s a given -- or it should be. 

Part of my observance is that too many people want young children -- infant to toddler -- and they want to adopt right away. It doesn&#039;t work that way in most situations in reality -- even international adoptions.

There is risk involved in most forms of non-traditional family options. International adoption is a wonderful option for those who go that route. We didn&#039;t and it worked well for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We adopted about 5-6 years ago. I know many who had adopted before then and I know many who&#8217;ve adopted since then.</p>
<p>Foster care is meant to be temporary. That&#8217;s a given &#8212; or it should be. </p>
<p>Part of my observance is that too many people want young children &#8212; infant to toddler &#8212; and they want to adopt right away. It doesn&#8217;t work that way in most situations in reality &#8212; even international adoptions.</p>
<p>There is risk involved in most forms of non-traditional family options. International adoption is a wonderful option for those who go that route. We didn&#8217;t and it worked well for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I have friends, a few different couples, and they are going through the process right now.  Their experience is not the same as yours.  VERY costly and time consumming.  Also, as a child from foster care myself, your experience is unusual.  Normally foster children are not up for adoption, and if so it usually takes a lot of money and effort.  I guess it might depend on where you live.

There was an article on HP just a couple of months ago by a gay couple who adopted, and their experience was more similar to what I describe, than what you do.

I&#039;d also be interested in WHEN you adopted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I have friends, a few different couples, and they are going through the process right now.  Their experience is not the same as yours.  VERY costly and time consumming.  Also, as a child from foster care myself, your experience is unusual.  Normally foster children are not up for adoption, and if so it usually takes a lot of money and effort.  I guess it might depend on where you live.</p>
<p>There was an article on HP just a couple of months ago by a gay couple who adopted, and their experience was more similar to what I describe, than what you do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be interested in WHEN you adopted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Trouten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Trouten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. &quot;The cost was nominal and the rest WAS tax deductible.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. &#8220;The cost was nominal and the rest WAS tax deductible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Trouten</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/01/21/52920/comment-page-1#comment-236919</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Trouten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Josh, yes, Catholic adoption agencies do discriminate against single people, drunks, gamblers and unmarried sexually active people during their background checks on prospective parents. Most adoption agencies, regardless of affiliation, discriminate on amny of the things you list. It’s almost impossibel to adopt a child in the USA, that is why so many people adopt from China, Russia and other places. It was, until recently, fairly easy to adopt from out of country, as compared to adopting in country. Not to mention I don’t understand why it is so damn expensive for someone to go through adoption process. Seems you would want to place children, not cost people tens of thousands of dollars or more to adopt. Rather discouraging to the whole purpose.”

It’s not almost impossible to adopt a child in the USA. I know many who’ve done it. We went through our state’s foster care system. The cost was nominal and the rest of tax deductible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Josh, yes, Catholic adoption agencies do discriminate against single people, drunks, gamblers and unmarried sexually active people during their background checks on prospective parents. Most adoption agencies, regardless of affiliation, discriminate on amny of the things you list. It’s almost impossibel to adopt a child in the USA, that is why so many people adopt from China, Russia and other places. It was, until recently, fairly easy to adopt from out of country, as compared to adopting in country. Not to mention I don’t understand why it is so damn expensive for someone to go through adoption process. Seems you would want to place children, not cost people tens of thousands of dollars or more to adopt. Rather discouraging to the whole purpose.”</p>
<p>It’s not almost impossible to adopt a child in the USA. I know many who’ve done it. We went through our state’s foster care system. The cost was nominal and the rest of tax deductible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Trouten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Trouten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Catholic Charities and Illinois. Keep in mind that Catholic Social Services of Southern Illinois did indeed close and stop providing adoption and foster care services after Illinois passed its civil union law. Which sounds terrible.

But... they also re-branded themselves and re-opened the next day as Christian Social Services of Illinois. Same office. Same staff. Same services. No connection to the Diocese. (http://bit.ly/xUdcv6)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Catholic Charities and Illinois. Keep in mind that Catholic Social Services of Southern Illinois did indeed close and stop providing adoption and foster care services after Illinois passed its civil union law. Which sounds terrible.</p>
<p>But&#8230; they also re-branded themselves and re-opened the next day as Christian Social Services of Illinois. Same office. Same staff. Same services. No connection to the Diocese. (<a href="http://bit.ly/xUdcv6" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/xUdcv6</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I think that the Catholic Church may just be tired of all that troublesome &quot;caring for the less fortunate&quot; stuff and is seizing on an excellent excuse not to allocate any resources in that direction.

Surely, Christ never intended the Church to look after orphans and widows in their distress.  No, the Church is called to proclaim the kingdom of &lt;del&gt;the Vatican&lt;/del&gt; &lt;b&gt;God&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I think that the Catholic Church may just be tired of all that troublesome &#8220;caring for the less fortunate&#8221; stuff and is seizing on an excellent excuse not to allocate any resources in that direction.</p>
<p>Surely, Christ never intended the Church to look after orphans and widows in their distress.  No, the Church is called to proclaim the kingdom of <del>the Vatican</del> <b>God</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Forgive me if the timing seems suspect. I would never suspect the Church of political motivations. Ever.&quot;

Heavens, no.  Surely not.  Never has the Church placed political expediency or the quest for power ahead of basic decency.  Goodness, who would dare think such a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Forgive me if the timing seems suspect. I would never suspect the Church of political motivations. Ever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heavens, no.  Surely not.  Never has the Church placed political expediency or the quest for power ahead of basic decency.  Goodness, who would dare think such a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colorado Republicans, much like Congressional Republicans, seem to have a habit of passing up legislation that gives them most of what they want, and then get stuck having to deal with legislation that ignores their wants.  I personally hope they keep it up.

We saw the rejection of Obama&#039;s debt ceiling offer (major cuts to Social Security, and almost all they wanted, but it wasn&#039;t their idea of perfect) ended up getting much less once it was done.

I hope they keep it up nation wide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colorado Republicans, much like Congressional Republicans, seem to have a habit of passing up legislation that gives them most of what they want, and then get stuck having to deal with legislation that ignores their wants.  I personally hope they keep it up.</p>
<p>We saw the rejection of Obama&#8217;s debt ceiling offer (major cuts to Social Security, and almost all they wanted, but it wasn&#8217;t their idea of perfect) ended up getting much less once it was done.</p>
<p>I hope they keep it up nation wide.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, yes, Catholic adoption agencies do discriminate against single people, drunks, gamblers and unmarried sexually active people during their background checks on prospective parents.  Most adoption agencies, regardless of affiliation, discriminate on amny of the things you list.  It&#039;s almost impossibel to adopt a child in the USA, that is why so many people adopt from China, Russia and other places.  It was, until recently, fairly easy to adopt from out of country, as compared to adopting in country.  Not to mention I don&#039;t understand why it is so damn expensive for someone to go through adoption process.  Seems you would want to place children, not cost people tens of thousands of dollars or more to adopt.  Rather discouraging to the whole purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, yes, Catholic adoption agencies do discriminate against single people, drunks, gamblers and unmarried sexually active people during their background checks on prospective parents.  Most adoption agencies, regardless of affiliation, discriminate on amny of the things you list.  It&#8217;s almost impossibel to adopt a child in the USA, that is why so many people adopt from China, Russia and other places.  It was, until recently, fairly easy to adopt from out of country, as compared to adopting in country.  Not to mention I don&#8217;t understand why it is so damn expensive for someone to go through adoption process.  Seems you would want to place children, not cost people tens of thousands of dollars or more to adopt.  Rather discouraging to the whole purpose.</p>
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