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	<title>Comments on: NOM&#8217;s Mandatory Anti-Gay Discrimination Initiative</title>
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		<title>By: Markanthonydog</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/02/02/53477/comment-page-1#comment-247304</link>
		<dc:creator>Markanthonydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need money.   All their supporters are anti-gay, so they are just following their customer wishes.   I was always supprised they didn&#039;t get more in to the DADT issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need money.   All their supporters are anti-gay, so they are just following their customer wishes.   I was always supprised they didn&#8217;t get more in to the DADT issue.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnAGJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnAGJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gsingjane:  Agreed.  I&#039;m willing to split the difference on this one and wait for the culture to catch up to bring about further change.  Opening up BSA fully isn&#039;t as important to me as ending DOMA or enacting ENDA and I&#039;m concerned this side matter may negatively impact those efforts.  Pressure can still be brought to bear against those councils which keep the ban, while those councils allowing gays will help bring about the needed change through example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gsingjane:  Agreed.  I&#8217;m willing to split the difference on this one and wait for the culture to catch up to bring about further change.  Opening up BSA fully isn&#8217;t as important to me as ending DOMA or enacting ENDA and I&#8217;m concerned this side matter may negatively impact those efforts.  Pressure can still be brought to bear against those councils which keep the ban, while those councils allowing gays will help bring about the needed change through example.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor poor BryBry.

Your about 6 Inches away from joining and a few martinis Generalissimo Delgaudillo in the Department of Hysteria.

Homosexuality affirming troops in every locale in America, tolerating no exceptions? Shades of Little Rock, Miz Scarlett! Oh, you don&#039;t mean the military, you mean Boy Scouts. Jack booted Boy Scouts, I&#039;m sure.

I Don&#039;t intend to be mean, but YOU&#039;RE SUCH A DRAMA QUEEN! What with your obsession with homosexuality, and your dramatics, I&#039;m starting to wonder a little about you.

All right, I did intend to be mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor poor BryBry.</p>
<p>Your about 6 Inches away from joining and a few martinis Generalissimo Delgaudillo in the Department of Hysteria.</p>
<p>Homosexuality affirming troops in every locale in America, tolerating no exceptions? Shades of Little Rock, Miz Scarlett! Oh, you don&#8217;t mean the military, you mean Boy Scouts. Jack booted Boy Scouts, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>I Don&#8217;t intend to be mean, but YOU&#8217;RE SUCH A DRAMA QUEEN! What with your obsession with homosexuality, and your dramatics, I&#8217;m starting to wonder a little about you.</p>
<p>All right, I did intend to be mean.</p>
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		<title>By: gsingjane</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/02/02/53477/comment-page-1#comment-247131</link>
		<dc:creator>gsingjane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very sorry to make this prediction, and I hope like heck the events of the coming week prove it incorrect.

I think the worst thing HRC could be doing right now is trying to pressure BSA into adopting a nation-wide non-discrimination policy.  Yes, I understand the idea that it&#039;s better to have one policy for everyone, and of course every boy should be able to be in an equality-minded troop.  However, insisting on a &quot;one size fits all&quot; solution, right now, completely ignores BSA&#039;s culture and the fact that they&#039;re trying to please most of their constituencies here and preserve themselves as a going concern. (It also gives the very strong sense that HRC doesn&#039;t understand much at all about BSA and way it operates.) 

The fact is, if BSA institutes a nation-wide policy, they will lose probably a third to half their Scouts, right off the bat.  It&#039;s not reasonable to ask BSA to do that.  And, they will also be seen as &quot;caving&quot; to the &quot;homosexual lobby,&quot; and believe me they don&#039;t want to do that, either.

Kicking the issue to the councils is splitting the baby for sure, but in this case a split baby really is better than none.  And what also really concerns me is that, when National does go to vote on this, it&#039;s going to be really easy for the more conservative voices to say, look, the pro-gay people are telling us, &quot;it&#039;s got to be all or nothing,&quot; and we&#039;re not ready for &quot;all.&quot;

And, we will wind up with nothing.

Boy do I ever hope I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very sorry to make this prediction, and I hope like heck the events of the coming week prove it incorrect.</p>
<p>I think the worst thing HRC could be doing right now is trying to pressure BSA into adopting a nation-wide non-discrimination policy.  Yes, I understand the idea that it&#8217;s better to have one policy for everyone, and of course every boy should be able to be in an equality-minded troop.  However, insisting on a &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; solution, right now, completely ignores BSA&#8217;s culture and the fact that they&#8217;re trying to please most of their constituencies here and preserve themselves as a going concern. (It also gives the very strong sense that HRC doesn&#8217;t understand much at all about BSA and way it operates.) </p>
<p>The fact is, if BSA institutes a nation-wide policy, they will lose probably a third to half their Scouts, right off the bat.  It&#8217;s not reasonable to ask BSA to do that.  And, they will also be seen as &#8220;caving&#8221; to the &#8220;homosexual lobby,&#8221; and believe me they don&#8217;t want to do that, either.</p>
<p>Kicking the issue to the councils is splitting the baby for sure, but in this case a split baby really is better than none.  And what also really concerns me is that, when National does go to vote on this, it&#8217;s going to be really easy for the more conservative voices to say, look, the pro-gay people are telling us, &#8220;it&#8217;s got to be all or nothing,&#8221; and we&#8217;re not ready for &#8220;all.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, we will wind up with nothing.</p>
<p>Boy do I ever hope I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 12:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown has lots of company in the shrill department -- it guess that&#039;s what happens when your cash cow starts to dry up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown has lots of company in the shrill department &#8212; it guess that&#8217;s what happens when your cash cow starts to dry up.</p>
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		<title>By: iDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>iDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 06:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, 

Glad I read your post before I hit my Publish button.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, </p>
<p>Glad I read your post before I hit my Publish button&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;And Brian Brown is freaking out.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s no wonder. He&#039;s in the persecution business which is apparently paying him a half million dollars a year, and he&#039;s supporting eight children. The lesson of the November elections was that he&#039;s in a business catering to a rapidly declining market. So where does he go next when his resume shows his most recent job was the persecution of gay people, and he was a failure.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/01/fred-karger-reports-noms-brian-brown.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;And Brian Brown is freaking out.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder. He&#8217;s in the persecution business which is apparently paying him a half million dollars a year, and he&#8217;s supporting eight children. The lesson of the November elections was that he&#8217;s in a business catering to a rapidly declining market. So where does he go next when his resume shows his most recent job was the persecution of gay people, and he was a failure.</p>
<p><a href="http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/01/fred-karger-reports-noms-brian-brown.html" rel="nofollow">http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/01/fred-karger-reports-noms-brian-brown.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>David in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 02:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They will settle for nothing short of capitulation...&quot;

That&#039;s funny. I was going to describe Mr. Brown the exact same way. He is intent on forcing his religious ideology on every one else (including those living in other countries), without ever acknowledging that we don&#039;t live in a Christian theocracy, and that you don&#039;t have to be religious in order to get married. Hypocrites don&#039;t come much larger than Brian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They will settle for nothing short of capitulation&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny. I was going to describe Mr. Brown the exact same way. He is intent on forcing his religious ideology on every one else (including those living in other countries), without ever acknowledging that we don&#8217;t live in a Christian theocracy, and that you don&#8217;t have to be religious in order to get married. Hypocrites don&#8217;t come much larger than Brian.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 02:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,
I had not thought about it quite this, but you are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,<br />
I had not thought about it quite this, but you are right.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Singer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 02:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it doesn&#039;t have anything to do with marriage equality.  It has to do with the geh.  As long as it has anything to do with the geh it must be eeeeevil!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with marriage equality.  It has to do with the geh.  As long as it has anything to do with the geh it must be eeeeevil!</p>
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