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	<title>Comments on: Think About the Children</title>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 01:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Hunter, Rob isn&#039;t &quot;dancing around it.&quot; He&#039;s being sarcastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Hunter, Rob isn&#8217;t &#8220;dancing around it.&#8221; He&#8217;s being sarcastic.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT_Doom</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/02/05/53518/comment-page-1#comment-248929</link>
		<dc:creator>CPT_Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it were true that opposite parents, on average, did better as parents how is this relevant? Regnerus showed many other family types - including single mothers - whose children had worse outcomes. That does not mean Maggie Gallagher is automatically a bad mother. We don&#039;t base laws on averages because individuals have rights regardless of any group to which they belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it were true that opposite parents, on average, did better as parents how is this relevant? Regnerus showed many other family types &#8211; including single mothers &#8211; whose children had worse outcomes. That does not mean Maggie Gallagher is automatically a bad mother. We don&#8217;t base laws on averages because individuals have rights regardless of any group to which they belong.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/02/05/53518/comment-page-1#comment-248841</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(as ever, I wish we had a word to describe this kind of irrational blindness when it comes to all things gay)&quot;

Stop dancing around it -- we do have a word:  homophobia.  It&#039;s a clinical term meaning &quot;irrational fear and/or hatred of homosexuality or homosexuals.&quot;  I think it fits here.

And connecting a few other dots, it occurs to me that adoptive children, whether adopted by a step-parent or both parents, start off with something of a deficit in development and adjustment.  If the children of gay and lesbian couples are, as indicated by the studies, developmentally equal to their peers raised by heterosexual parents, that leads to some interesting speculations about the quality of the parenting provided in both cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(as ever, I wish we had a word to describe this kind of irrational blindness when it comes to all things gay)&#8221;</p>
<p>Stop dancing around it &#8212; we do have a word:  homophobia.  It&#8217;s a clinical term meaning &#8220;irrational fear and/or hatred of homosexuality or homosexuals.&#8221;  I think it fits here.</p>
<p>And connecting a few other dots, it occurs to me that adoptive children, whether adopted by a step-parent or both parents, start off with something of a deficit in development and adjustment.  If the children of gay and lesbian couples are, as indicated by the studies, developmentally equal to their peers raised by heterosexual parents, that leads to some interesting speculations about the quality of the parenting provided in both cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben In Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben In Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regenerus made this statement, reported in huffpost last year. He has made similar statements in the past.

&quot;I’d be more careful about the language I used to describe people whose parents had same-sex relationships,&quot; Regenus told the magazine. &quot;I said &#039;lesbian mothers&#039; and &#039;gay fathers,&#039; when in fact, I don’t know about their sexual orientation; I do know about their same-sex relationship behavior.&quot; He also noted: &quot;Finding someone whose parent had some sort of same-sex relationship as they were growing up is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.&quot;

In other words, it wasn&#039;t about gay parents becuase HE DIDN&#039;T KNOW THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. He didn&#039;t know about their same-sex relationship behavior, only that they had committed a homosexual act at some point. He could have found plenty of same sex couples raising children, but clearly chose not to find that pile of needles in a tiny haystack. 

Contrary to what is claimed about his crappy research, HE DIDN&#039;T STUDY CHILDREN RAISED IN A SAME SEX UNION, but children raised in mixed-orientation marriages, be definition, UNSTABLE.
 
For anyone who is defending this piece of garbage as somehow scientific ,or who just doesn&#039;t understand English: HE&#039;S ADMITTING THAT HE DIDN&#039;T STUDY WHAT HE CLAIMS TO HAVE STUDIED.
 
But don&#039;t let intellectual and moral honesty get in the way of homohatred, Mr. Vogt. Jesus would be so proud of you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regenerus made this statement, reported in huffpost last year. He has made similar statements in the past.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’d be more careful about the language I used to describe people whose parents had same-sex relationships,&#8221; Regenus told the magazine. &#8220;I said &#8216;lesbian mothers&#8217; and &#8216;gay fathers,&#8217; when in fact, I don’t know about their sexual orientation; I do know about their same-sex relationship behavior.&#8221; He also noted: &#8220;Finding someone whose parent had some sort of same-sex relationship as they were growing up is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, it wasn&#8217;t about gay parents becuase HE DIDN&#8217;T KNOW THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. He didn&#8217;t know about their same-sex relationship behavior, only that they had committed a homosexual act at some point. He could have found plenty of same sex couples raising children, but clearly chose not to find that pile of needles in a tiny haystack. </p>
<p>Contrary to what is claimed about his crappy research, HE DIDN&#8217;T STUDY CHILDREN RAISED IN A SAME SEX UNION, but children raised in mixed-orientation marriages, be definition, UNSTABLE.</p>
<p>For anyone who is defending this piece of garbage as somehow scientific ,or who just doesn&#8217;t understand English: HE&#8217;S ADMITTING THAT HE DIDN&#8217;T STUDY WHAT HE CLAIMS TO HAVE STUDIED.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t let intellectual and moral honesty get in the way of homohatred, Mr. Vogt. Jesus would be so proud of you</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us connect two of the points about same-sex vs. opposite-sex parenting, points made by those opposed to marriage equality, points raised in this series.

Same-sex couples who want to be parents must plan to become parents, must be intentional about it.  Opposite-sex couples can become parents accidentally.

Now to be sure, opposite-sex couples do become parents through planning.  Not all children born to opposite-sex couples are accidents, surprises, disruptions, or unwanted (which is what the word &quot;accidental&quot; implies.)  

So, it seems, then, there is a difference between same-sex parents and opposite-sex parents.  Same-sex parents really want their children.  They have to go through some extra effort to get them.  Opposite-sex parents sometimes do not want their children.  They might have a child accidentally.  

Being wanted or not wanted probably affects the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us connect two of the points about same-sex vs. opposite-sex parenting, points made by those opposed to marriage equality, points raised in this series.</p>
<p>Same-sex couples who want to be parents must plan to become parents, must be intentional about it.  Opposite-sex couples can become parents accidentally.</p>
<p>Now to be sure, opposite-sex couples do become parents through planning.  Not all children born to opposite-sex couples are accidents, surprises, disruptions, or unwanted (which is what the word &#8220;accidental&#8221; implies.)  </p>
<p>So, it seems, then, there is a difference between same-sex parents and opposite-sex parents.  Same-sex parents really want their children.  They have to go through some extra effort to get them.  Opposite-sex parents sometimes do not want their children.  They might have a child accidentally.  </p>
<p>Being wanted or not wanted probably affects the children.</p>
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