Comments on: The Muslims Who Love The Gays

By: Priya Lynn

Priya Lynn — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:19:53 +0000

Up until now I thought Lucrece was a woman. I think less of him now after he’s used that word and haughtily defended using it.

By: Donny D.

Donny D. — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:27:50 +0000

Lucrece wrote,

Jessamine, the word does not belong to the US. It is used in international English, and in the UK and Australia it’s pretty accepted.

Yeah, tell the dumb Americans where they’re going wrong. That’ll win you a lot of friends.

By the way, i DO NOT ACCEPT your claim that the c-word is “pretty accepted” in the UK and Australia. I know it’s used casually in Britain, though about Australia i DON’T know that. But I also know that in both countries, there are many contexts in which it is NOT used. Clearly it’s considered offensive enough that one doesn’t see it in British or Aussie journalistic writing, or in the things that politicians are quoted saying. So no, I don’t believe you when you said it’s “pretty accepted” in either place. On the street and maybe when getting wasted at the pub, but while people here say f*ck and sh*t casually, these word are unacceptable in many other circumstances.

Instead of trying to defend your use of the c-word, ask yourself if it’s acceptable here on Box Turtle Bulletin. You’ll find that it mostly ISN’T, and you don’t get to unilaterally change that to make your social screwup okay after the fact.

No matter how “accepted” the c-word is in SOME circumstances in Britain, the use of the word in the way you did is STILL misogynist.

By: Jessamine

Jessamine — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:22:18 +0000

Lucrece

So your answer is yes, but it’s done deliberately. Thank you for clarifying.

By: Lucrece

Lucrece — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:39:19 +0000

Jessamine, the word does not belong to the US. It is used in international English, and in the UK and Australia it’s pretty accepted.

It was also used in context toward a MAN, and considering some people will use Queer and nobody rallies to the sheer offensiveness of the word among LGBT orgs, maybe you should examine the point that to some people words are offensive while to others they are not.

By: Lord_Byron

Lord_Byron — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:48:34 +0000

I know it’s random, but Shadow Justice Secretary sounds like a kind of cool super hero name.

By: Adam k.

Adam k. — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:33:13 +0000

There are two Muslims in the House. André
Carson, whose record I have no doubt matches Rep. Ellison’s, is also Muslim.

By: BrianQTD

BrianQTD — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:46:44 +0000

Yes these Muslim politicians live in Western countries but there is no transnational, universal Muslim “essence,” only Islams as they exist in different contexts. Christians in the United States and Europe cannot be compared with Christians in Uganda or Russia. These Christianities have been influenced by their cultures. The same is true with Islam.

There are reformers in Islam and they have a hard road to hoe just like liberal Catholic theologians and liberal evangelicals.

By: Gene in L.A.

Gene in L.A. — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:18:00 +0000

Lucrece,
I would just point out that “expectations” carried to their extreme become prejudices.

By: TampaZekex

TampaZekex — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:40:03 +0000

You don’t have to look across the sea or across the border to find examples of pro-gay Muslims. We have Keith Ellison, a Muslim congressman from Minnesota, with a 100% positive gay rights voting record. He is also on record supporting marriage equality.

By: Jessamine

Jessamine — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:26:51 +0000

Lucrece

Your casual use of the word cunt as a derogatory term to describe cops who inspire ill will in minority populations is inappropriate and offensive. Please look around you at all of the women who are standing beside you in this fight for equality. Do you really want to alienate them so thoughtlessly?