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	<title>Comments on: UPDATED: Prominent Republicans file amicus brief in Prop8 case</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@San Diego Rob
People need to stop pretending that states are really independent countries. It&#039;s supposed to one &quot;united&quot; country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@San Diego Rob<br />
People need to stop pretending that states are really independent countries. It&#8217;s supposed to one &#8220;united&#8221; country.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hue-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Sullivan - &quot;By the early 2000s, I was demeaned, pitied, ignored, ostracized and mocked by the Republican right.&quot; - expresses my view on this brief: &quot;I’ve always believed that civil rights movements should be all about welcoming converts rather than hunting for enemies or heretics.&quot; http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/02/26/the-right-and-marriage-equality-a-breakthrough/ 

No one forced them to sign up - they have taken the time to consider an issue that only 10 years ago they wouldn&#039;t have given a moment&#039;s notice to. Accept the win and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Sullivan &#8211; &#8220;By the early 2000s, I was demeaned, pitied, ignored, ostracized and mocked by the Republican right.&#8221; &#8211; expresses my view on this brief: &#8220;I’ve always believed that civil rights movements should be all about welcoming converts rather than hunting for enemies or heretics.&#8221; <a href="http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/02/26/the-right-and-marriage-equality-a-breakthrough/" rel="nofollow">http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/02/26/the-right-and-marriage-equality-a-breakthrough/</a> </p>
<p>No one forced them to sign up &#8211; they have taken the time to consider an issue that only 10 years ago they wouldn&#8217;t have given a moment&#8217;s notice to. Accept the win and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>San Diego Rob wrote,
&lt;blockquote&gt;As much as I want to see it overturned, most of those people are from other states and should have no say on a case that is pending that will affect only Californians.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That the Supremes chose to hear and decide the Prop 8 case along with the DOMA case suggests very strongly that the result won&#039;t only affect Californians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Diego Rob wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>As much as I want to see it overturned, most of those people are from other states and should have no say on a case that is pending that will affect only Californians.</p></blockquote>
<p>That the Supremes chose to hear and decide the Prop 8 case along with the DOMA case suggests very strongly that the result won&#8217;t only affect Californians.</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tristam wrote,
&lt;blockquote&gt;...[B]ut of all the thousands of Republican officeholders and gov’t officials in the past three decades, this is the most and best they can come up with? Really?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
With the Republican base becoming smaller, the Religious Right has a deathgrip on the GOP, which believes it can&#039;t afford to offend that largest consistently Republican-voting demographic.  The GOP has grown so toxic to LGBT concerns that the Log Cabin Republicans&#039; efforts to improve the 2012 Republican platform in regard to LG issues triggered a kneejerk backlash that made the platform even worse.  So it&#039;s no surprise there isn&#039;t a groundswell of GOP officeholders and candidates who are willing to publicly support anything pro-LGBT.

My guess is the GOP signatories are operating from their own beliefs toward equality, toward the extension of the basically conservative institution of marriage or because they think the GOP will have to embrace at least some LGBT rights and concerns if they don&#039;t want to become a minority party for the next decade or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tristam wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;[B]ut of all the thousands of Republican officeholders and gov’t officials in the past three decades, this is the most and best they can come up with? Really?</p></blockquote>
<p>With the Republican base becoming smaller, the Religious Right has a deathgrip on the GOP, which believes it can&#8217;t afford to offend that largest consistently Republican-voting demographic.  The GOP has grown so toxic to LGBT concerns that the Log Cabin Republicans&#8217; efforts to improve the 2012 Republican platform in regard to LG issues triggered a kneejerk backlash that made the platform even worse.  So it&#8217;s no surprise there isn&#8217;t a groundswell of GOP officeholders and candidates who are willing to publicly support anything pro-LGBT.</p>
<p>My guess is the GOP signatories are operating from their own beliefs toward equality, toward the extension of the basically conservative institution of marriage or because they think the GOP will have to embrace at least some LGBT rights and concerns if they don&#8217;t want to become a minority party for the next decade or two.</p>
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		<title>By: tristram</title>
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		<dc:creator>tristram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tristram - &#039;ulterior&#039; and &#039;and&#039;.  Please proof before hitting the &quot;Post&quot; button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tristram &#8211; &#8216;ulterior&#8217; and &#8216;and&#8217;.  Please proof before hitting the &#8220;Post&#8221; button.</p>
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		<title>By: tristram</title>
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		<dc:creator>tristram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate their support, I don&#039;t doubt their commitment, I ascribe no ulterio motives to any of them, ad there&#039;s no such thing as &#039;too little, too late&#039; as long as the battle is still being fought. 

But WTF, not downplaying anyone&#039;s accomplishments, but of all the thousands of Republican officeholders and gov&#039;t officials in the past three decades, this is the most and best they can come up with? Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate their support, I don&#8217;t doubt their commitment, I ascribe no ulterio motives to any of them, ad there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8216;too little, too late&#8217; as long as the battle is still being fought. </p>
<p>But WTF, not downplaying anyone&#8217;s accomplishments, but of all the thousands of Republican officeholders and gov&#8217;t officials in the past three decades, this is the most and best they can come up with? Really?</p>
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		<title>By: MattNYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take the support (minus Mehlman and Mary Cheney--the other gay enabler of anti-gay hatred) but agree with ScooterJ that it probably won&#039;t mean a thing to any on-the-fence justice.  

It will come down to other aspects--most possibly &quot;legacy.&quot;  Do the justices really want to be found in the scrap heap of history along with the Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, and Bowers v. Hardwick majorities?  (Pope Antonin and his meat puppet are the only ones immune from feeling such embarrassment.)

That means more to these bundles of regal egos (maybe &quot;regal eagles&quot; ;), these &quot;gods&quot; in robes, than what some piss-ant has-beens (Whitman--a never-was if there ever was) think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take the support (minus Mehlman and Mary Cheney&#8211;the other gay enabler of anti-gay hatred) but agree with ScooterJ that it probably won&#8217;t mean a thing to any on-the-fence justice.  </p>
<p>It will come down to other aspects&#8211;most possibly &#8220;legacy.&#8221;  Do the justices really want to be found in the scrap heap of history along with the Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, and Bowers v. Hardwick majorities?  (Pope Antonin and his meat puppet are the only ones immune from feeling such embarrassment.)</p>
<p>That means more to these bundles of regal egos (maybe &#8220;regal eagles&#8221; ;), these &#8220;gods&#8221; in robes, than what some piss-ant has-beens (Whitman&#8211;a never-was if there ever was) think.</p>
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		<title>By: TomTallis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomTallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The New York Times is suggesting that this sort of amicus brief – along with the level of signatories – might be very influential in the swing-votes on the Supreme Court.&quot;

Assuming the SCOTUS grants the proponents standing.  Otherwise we&#039;re going to have a big fat mess on our hands here in California.

Having said that, I think that the SCOTUS specifically added standing to the issues to be argued so they can better clarify that initiative proponents can have standing under certain conditions, not unlike Prop H8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The New York Times is suggesting that this sort of amicus brief – along with the level of signatories – might be very influential in the swing-votes on the Supreme Court.&#8221;</p>
<p>Assuming the SCOTUS grants the proponents standing.  Otherwise we&#8217;re going to have a big fat mess on our hands here in California.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think that the SCOTUS specifically added standing to the issues to be argued so they can better clarify that initiative proponents can have standing under certain conditions, not unlike Prop H8.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all these people except the scumbag Ken Mehlman are to be commended for changing their views on this subject and publicly saying so. (Mehlman didn&#039;t change his views--he hid them while actively participating in demonizing all gay Americans in order to help his scumbag boss win an election. He should be ostracized by the gay community, not lauded). I also think it&#039;s worth noting that nearly all of them are politically irrelevant and don&#039;t have to worry about facing Republican voters anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all these people except the scumbag Ken Mehlman are to be commended for changing their views on this subject and publicly saying so. (Mehlman didn&#8217;t change his views&#8211;he hid them while actively participating in demonizing all gay Americans in order to help his scumbag boss win an election. He should be ostracized by the gay community, not lauded). I also think it&#8217;s worth noting that nearly all of them are politically irrelevant and don&#8217;t have to worry about facing Republican voters anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people defending Prop 8 aren&#039;t from California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people defending Prop 8 aren&#8217;t from California.</p>
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