Comments on: Pastor Sentenced in Miller-Jenkins Kidnapping Conspiracy

By: Steve

Steve — Sat, 09 Mar 2013 02:21:14 +0000

The FBI knows exactly where they are. In a Mennonite colony in South America. Nicaragua I think.

By: Mike G.

Mike G. — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:09:34 +0000

Isabella and Lisa Miller are still missing, this pastor is still free, and no charges have been made against Liberty. Un-frickin’-believable! The people in charge of this investigation are either incompetent or in cahoots with anti-gay activists. There’s no other explanation for the lack of progress in all of this.

By: Regan DuCasse

Regan DuCasse — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:02:03 +0000

@JOEL: I was watching the clip from the IL legislature’s vote on marriage equality, and now the consideration in MN.
And even though the law clearly states and protects clergy and houses of worship and religious property from being forced to perform any ss religious ceremonies against their will, there are advocates from the ADF complaining that the law doesn’t go FAR enough to protect the religious liberties of county clerks, pharmacists, business owners and so on.
They want a religious person (meaning anti gay Christians), to invoke religious objections to providing services to the public there to receive that accommodation WITHOUT being informed of that objection.
We’ve seen over and over that many people like this, aren’t too smart or especially knowledgable about how civil law and public policy is supposed to work.
I’ve tried to inform these people that they aren’t differentiating who deserves ALL of the same discrimination from these services, and uninformed public, AND religious abuse.
That they’d appreciate protection from religious abuse if someone wanted to invoke Sharia on them any time they wanted.
They didn’t understand what INFORMED public meant and didn’t ask.
They didn’t understand what equal dispersion of discrimination meant and didn’t ask.
They didn’t understand what reasonable accommodation meant and didn’t ask.
They didn’t understand civic enterprise and non discrimination clauses BECAUSE of protections of the public and didn’t ask.

The people sitting there demanding this religious ‘freedom’ never knew or understood what Jim Crow or apartheid was like.
Which is unforgivable to me. They are in fact, demanding to invoke apartheid like similarity into our civil laws and it’s disgusting.
They are resistant to that comparison. Too damn bad, that’s EXACTLY what it is.

By: CPT_Doom

CPT_Doom — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:34:45 +0000

I wonder what the sentence would have been had an MCC minister helped a lesbian kidnap her kid from a former partner to prevent the child being exposed to a “Christian” lifestyle?

By: charl

charl — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:32:14 +0000

They should declare this a mistrial and get a judge who’s tougher at him.

By: Qwerty

Qwerty — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 08:52:43 +0000

Oh my lord! Such persecution these poor upstanding christianists face!

This pastor is relishing the fact that he is being persecuted for his religion. He is blessed, just like his good book says (“blessed are those who are persecuted…”). In his mind, if he’s lucky, maybe he’ll end up being crucified, upside down, instead of just a simple jail term. What a blessing that would be!

Such christianists think they can break any law they want to if they think it disagrees with what their imaginary friend thinks (which is amazingly similar to what they personally think).

By: Rob

Rob — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 04:35:24 +0000

Twenty-seven months seems a light sentence for taking a child away from a parent. I hope the RICO suit against Liberty University is successful. Everything about Jerry Falwell’s legacy is a blight on the face of the nation. He was an evil man who sowed a bitter and poisonous seed. It makes me wish that magic was real so that he would discover that Hell burned hot for hateful preachers as much as it does for any other psychopath.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:04:16 +0000

The judge is disgusting. There’s nothing admirable about this man’s actions. I wonder how many times this judge calls criminals in his courtroom “admirable”?

By: Joel

Joel — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:35:59 +0000

i just love these stories for those who say that religion should be left alone. That it does nothing past simple belief (in fairy tales). And that THESE beliefs are inherently like any other.
But in reality, for those many that do act on conviction of these beliefs, it does matter to address the issue. Or maybe we should shrug the religion issue aside and conciously neglect the elephant in the room whilst proclaiming the evident nature of gay rights? It’s in a way, how conservative tell us to ignore the gay bullying issue whilst proclaiming how no1 should be bullied.
Ignoring the obvious(as seen in this and many other articles) cause doesnt help at all to further the goal (instrinsic gay rights/intrinsic non-bullying rights).

To me (as per the culture around me) it is evident that it is impossible to address gay rights AND religious liberty as something necessarily harmonious. They both speak of rights… but of different ones. It is silly to say how much rights gays have while at the same time saying how rightful they are to exercise religious liberty when this liberty imposes itself upon the other.

I’ve yet to have any compelling reason why someone can not exercise their religious liberty and need to give me my rights. It is quite clear that my rights infringe upon their religious liberty.

By: Soren456

Soren456 — Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:45:55 +0000

The US has jailed journalists indefinitely, their release dependent upon naming a source.

Why can’t that approach be taken here? The crime is ongoing: the girl is still missing and Miller knows where she is, or can name those who know.

Why not an indefinite term, to end when the child is located and returned?