LaBarbera Award: Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern

Jim Burroway

March 8th, 2008

LaBarbera AwardHave you ever wonder what anti-gay extremists say to each other behind closed doors? I have. That’s why I went to the Family Impact Summit last September in Tampa, Florida. It’s amazing how people you think you know will say the wildest things when they believe nobody is listening.

Well, it turns out there was another similar meeting recently with about fifty people when Oklahoma state representative Sally Kern went off on the “biggest threat our nation has.” Guess what that threat is? That’s right, it’s the dreaded “homosexual agenda,” which she considers a bigger threat than terrorism or Islam. And that’s not all. Her paranoid tirade has all the necessary elements of anti-gay lunacy: Cameronesque lifespan claims, threats to our children (“as young as two years of age!”), “infiltrating city councils” — and someone was there to capture it all on audio:

Here’s the transcript:

Oklahoma State Sen. Sally KernThe homosexual agenda is destroying this nation, okay? It’s just a fact. Not everybody’s lifestyle is equal, just like not all religions are. You know, the very fact that I’m talking to you like this here today puts me in jeopardy, okay? And I’m not anti- and I’m not gay bashing, but according to God’s Word, that is not the right kind of lifestyle. It has deadly consequences for those people involved in it. They have more suicides, they’re more discouraged, there’s more illness, their lifespans are shorter, you know, it’s not a lifestyle that is good for this nation.

As a matter of fact, studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades. So it’s the death knell for this country. I honestly think it’s the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam, which I think is a big threat.

Because what’s happening now, they’re going after, in schools, two year olds! Do you know what they’re trying to get into early childhood education? They want to give our young children into the government schools so they can indoctrinate them. I taught school for close to twenty years. And we’re not teaching facts and knowledge anymore folks. We’re teaching indoctrination, okay? And their going after our young children, as young as two years of age to try to teach them that the homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle.

You know, gays are infiltrating city councils. Did you know, Eureka Springs, anybody been there, the passion play? Okay, have you heard that the city council of Eureka Springs is now controlled by gays? Okay? There are some others, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Tacoma, Maryland; Kensington, Maryland; in Vermont, Oregon, West Palm Beach, Florida; in a lot of other places in Florida. What’s happening? They are winning elections.

One of the things I deal with in our legislature, I tried to introduce a bill last year that would notify parents, schools had to let parents know what clubs their students were involved in. And the reason I did that bill primarily was this: We have the gay-straight alliance coming into our schools. Kids are getting involved in these groups, their lives are being ruined, their parents don’t know about it. So I introduced a bill, you have to notify all clubs and things.

And one of my colleagues said you know, we don’t have a gay problem in my county, that’s why I voted against that bill. Well you know what? To me that is so dumb. If you got cancer or something in your little toe, do you say, you know, I’m just going to forget about it because the rest of me’s fine. It spreads, okay? And this stuff, it’s deadly and it’s spreading and it will destroy our young people, it will destroy this nation.

Congratulations, Rep. Kern. You’re today’s LaBarbera Award winner.

See also:
Sally Kern Is a Little Confused
Sally Kern’s Economic Fallout
Sally Kern’s Meeting with PFLAG on Tape
Exodus’ Local Ministry Aligns with Sally Kern
Certified Cameronite: Sally Kern
Kern Speaks to College Republicans
Sally Kern: Out of Context? The Complete Transcript
We Be Jammin’
Muslims and Gays United
OK State Rep. Sally Kern’s Son is “Straight and Not Gay”
Sally Kern Exaggerates Death Threats
A Letter to Sally Kern
LaBarbera Award: Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern


March 8th, 2008

Two year olds go to school? My, times have changed since I was a kid, going to kindergarten at age 5.


March 8th, 2008

Wow. Toe cancer. I have to admit, that at least is original.

Emily K

March 8th, 2008

“It’s not God’s Word.”

What the hell does that have to do with our secular, NON-CHRISTIAN government???

Erica B.

March 8th, 2008

@Patrick — She may mean preschool (or daycare) which lots of toddlers are in. Parents have to pay for that; I’m not aware of any state which has government-provided (e.g. free) preschool. More likely, she is just completely confused.

And I’m not anti- and I’m not gay bashing, but according to God’s Word, that is not the right kind of lifestyle.

“Really, I’d TOTALLY support gay people, but God said it’s wrong!” That excuse is so tired. If you’re such a believer in that mitzvah, then why delve into junk science? Or do you doubt your faith to the point you need to justify your God’s commandments?

Not everybody’s lifestyle is equal, just like not all religions are.

People like this shouldn’t be in government in a country with freedom of religion.


March 8th, 2008

“As a matter of fact, studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades.”

Where are these studies?

I’ve heard these claims before, even from as well-known a figure as Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ, who said it in a public forum. But no matter how many times the claim is made I never hear the evidence to back it up.


March 9th, 2008

LaBarbera will certainly make Rep. Sally Kern a poster child on his website.

Elinor McLennon

March 9th, 2008

The “studies” that are being referred to can be found in the book of Genesis. Have you ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Ben in Oakland

March 9th, 2008

Somebody once took a couple of lines from Edward Gibbons’ “Decline and Fall of the roman empire” and I think a couple of lines from a history book by arthur Schlesinger, ground them up in their AGSM (anti-gay sausage machine) and came up with this garbage. Schlesinger said it pretty much as stated, but with no supporting evidence, and gibbons (whom i believe was somewhat ‘suspect’ on this subject)didn’t really say it at all.

The two really amusing observaitons about this idicy are these:

1) you won’t find this information in any high school text book on the subject

2) Rome actually never fell– not in so many words– but when it did, it had been an officially CHRISTIAN empire for 150 years. One could make the argument very easily– if one were as stupid and hateful as this swollen hemorrhoid of a legislator is– that Christianity caused the downfall of the empire.

It all goes to show what happens when you allow that kind of people to take over. There are just not enough lions.


March 9th, 2008


To use the word “studies” when you mean the Bible would be disingenuous in the extreme.

It is quite clear that she meant actual historical studies. It is now her duty to cite them or retract her statement.


March 9th, 2008

She taught school for 20 years? Oy, Christ. Too bad the English language wasn’t one of her specialties, “you know.” What an ignorant twit. A greater concern here when thinking of “our childern” might be, how did someone like this get and maintain a teaching credential? Maybe she was home-schooled.


March 9th, 2008

The “studies” that are being referred to can be found in the book of Genesis. Have you ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?

OMGoodness, no I haven’t! But I Googled the story and found out that we should all be offering up our virgin daughters to be gang raped in order to protect ourselves from God’s wrath against the societal embrace of homosexuality.

Thank you Elinor McLennon, for this much needed elucidation.


March 10th, 2008

Thanx for posting this, Jim!

Yeah, those “Studies” of hers. I wonder if she mentioned them to her audience? I wonder if she ever will? And I like to see what “indoctrination” is being done on 2 year olds. And yes, the Roman Empire “fell” not all that long after it made Christianity as its official religion.

Elinor – Sorry but the Bible ain’t a study. It’s a book of faith; one amoungst many. If you want to make the entire Torah and NT mandatory for morals and what is sin then follow it all. And S&G had nothing to do with homosexuality but inhospitality.


March 10th, 2008

What exactly is a “gay problem”?????

I wonder what problems they do have in Ms. Kern’s county?

It would be interesting to have dinner with her and share our lives. I’m sure we would have more things in common than she would ever expect or want.

TJ McFisty

March 10th, 2008

I think a “gay problem” for them is a neighborhood or town with one too many Crate ‘n’ Barrels.

A “gay problem” for us is a neighborhood or town without any Crate ‘n’ Barrels. Certainly not within walking distance. Actually, I think that’s less a “problem” than a “shame” or “tragedy”. Depends on your mood or hair that day.

Jason D

March 10th, 2008

*Elinor McLennon said: The “studies” that are being referred to can be found in the book of Genesis. Have you ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?*

The Bible is not a study. If it were, it would collapse under the weight of it’s flaws. It is, as others have mentioned, a book of faith. Faith is opinion, strong opinion, but something that cannot be verified. If it could be verified, we’d call it fact.

Soddom and Gomorrah is not place to find your sexual morals. If it were the following would be true:

1) When faced with an angry mob of rapists, offer up your virgin daughters. Women are not nearly as valuable as men.

2) Incest is perfectly okay so long as it’s a drunken threesome between a father and his daughters instigated by the children.

Ben in Oakland

March 10th, 2008

My two cents:SODOM-Wherein we find the origin of the word sodomy.

G tells Abraham he is going to destroy the cities of the plain because they are not righteous. Abraham manages to convince G not to do it if he can find one righteous man. Apparently, Abraham couldn’t find even one, because God destroys the cities,

Except that there were four saved, which is very confusing. Whom does G allow to be saved? 1) Lot, who apparently is an alcoholic, because he managed to preserve a sufficiency of wine from the destruction to get himself into a drunken stupor. 2) His wife, who disobeys a direct commandment from G not to look back at the city’s destruction. 3) His two daughters, who get Lot drunk and have sex with him. We’re not told whether it is together or separately, or even how Lot managed to get it up, given the amount of liquor, the destruction of all property, friends and family, and that THEY WERE HIS DAUGHTERS, for G’s sake!
It all goes to show once again that G helps those who help themselves.

We learn two things from this. 1) We have been defining the Hebrew translated as “righteous” incorrectly. The correct translation is “heterosexual, preferably incestuous, alcoholic, and disobedient.” And 2) It is all the fag’s fault.

Allowing the Good book to be its own best commentary on itself, we find nowhere in the bible any reference to homosexuality as the sin of Sodom. Even Jesus didn’t say so. It took Christian scholars somewhere between 300 and 1200 years after Jesus’ death to come up with that. And yes, dear Christians, I am aware of the angels. Lot offered his two daughters to the crowd to rape instead of his guests. 1) Wow, what a righteous guy he is. 2) Offering his two virgin daughters to a bunch of gay guys? What was he thinking? I’m sure it must have seemed to be a good idea at the time.

Jason D

March 10th, 2008

Ben, that’s one of the things I don’t get….

If the crowd were, in fact, gay, rather than just rapists(rape is about power, not sexual orientation) why offer two virgin girls?

That’s like offering apple pie to someone who’s looking for tomato juice.

“So you’re looking for a motorcycle, how about this SUV?”

“You’re dyhydrated? Here’s some salt.”

“So you want to have sex with men, we’ll here’s some virgin girls –same thing, right?”

Which suggests to me that the crowd wasn’t specifically gay, just interested in raping. Obviously Lot knew this, otherwise he wouldn’t have offered up two girls.

I don’t believe anyone knew the two men were actually angels, but if they did, that would change things a bit further. Angels are not people, they’re a different species, so this would be sorta like beastiality, right?

Erica B.

March 10th, 2008

I hope that Elinor was being somewhat sarcastic in her comment, which is why “studies” was in quotes. Anybody who believes legends/myths qualify as an objective analysis of the world is beyond reason :)

Lot’s family is part of the most screwed up story of the Bible. Those people were batshit insane by today’s standards — probably by their own society’s standards as well. Lot’s wife gets off easy by becoming a pillar of salt and getting out of that dysfunctional morass.

Give me a gay agenda teaching my toddler about loving penguins co-adopting an egg any day.

Ben in Oakland

March 10th, 2008

There is a passage in 2nd timothy (I think) which makes a reference to ‘going after strange flesh’ which was indeed about sodom and sex with angels. Someone with a stronger background in Scripture oculd say more about it.


March 10th, 2008

This woman’s ugly remarks reflect horribly not only on the state of Oklahoma, but on our nation.

The only people I have ever known to push an agenda or a lifestyle are the right-wing Christian fundamentalists. What they too often seem to forget is that all Americans are not Christians who believe that the bible is the word of God.

As for her equating homosexuality with terrorism? Tell that to the families of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing and September 11.

Sally Kern is a perfect example of what is wrong with America. She is a disgrace to our nation.

Shame on her!

Ben in Oakland

March 10th, 2008

This just in,

I went to this link, and according to posts there, this lady has a GAY SON. Whoopsey!!! I don’t know if it is true (See what Tallulah Bankhead said about Tab Hunter), but if it is, then I just can’t fathom how these god-fearing, thoroughly hetero, homo hating, bible-loving, fabulous parent true American heroes can…


It makes me just want to knock on their heads and answer the echoes with, “Hello? Anybody home? Anything there besides your hate, fear, and disappointment? Have you ever heard of projection?”

As I once said to a nice Christian lady who said she would never accept her gay son: “Ma’am, your attitude is never oging to make your son sorry that he is gay. It’s just going to make him sorry that you’re his mother.”

Sad. Family values. now there’s a concept for you.

Timothy Kincaid

March 10th, 2008


The reference to Sally Kern having a gay son is nothing more substantial than an anonymous posting on a topic board. Let’s not assume that this has any merit whatsoever.

Ben in Oakland

March 10th, 2008

Timothy, you are quite correct. We cannot assume it has any truth value.

Damn, I’m sitting here spouting stuff about that might not be true about someone i don’t know, and whom I know nothing about.

How could I do that?


March 10th, 2008

she says “eureka springs, anybody been there, the passion play?” (not “you read this phrase, and you write it in there, this passion play?”)

she is awful.

Jim Burroway

March 10th, 2008

Thanks Meghan. For some reason, I had trouble making out what she said. I’ve corrected the transcript.

Frank Kameny

March 10th, 2008

Sodom and Gomorrah, in their usually assumed location were the victims of one of two possible purely geological catastrpphes. Set out here very briefly: Plate Tectonics: That location is squarely on a slip fault functionally identical with the San Andreas Fault in California. The Arabian tectonic plate is moving straight north, as it has been for some 50 million years. There are frequent eqrthquakes and other volcanic manifesttions along it (the city of Petra, destroyed many centuries later, is also on it) including sulfur emissions (sulfur is brimstone).

Thera. The southern Aegean island of Thera (now called Santorini) exploded in one of the most catastrophic volcanic explosions known to have occurred in all of human history, in the autumn of 1628 BC. It affected climate the entire world over (bristlecone pines in the American west coast show thinned annual rings at the time). A layer of volcanic ash was deposited over much of the Mediterranean, extending eastward at least to Syria, which means that “fire and brimstone” certainly descended upon Sodom and G. This was probably the origin of the Platonic legend of Atlantis

Obviously the intellectually primitive peoples of that time knew nothing of this and interpreted what happened as the wrath of god. And so some 3600 years later, we are supposed to be governing our lives by the ignorant interpetations of intellectual pri8mitives of perfectly natural events.


March 11th, 2008

No problem, Jim. Thanks so much for taking the time to transcribe her speech. As an Oklahoman, I am incredibly ashamed.

Ben in Oakland

March 11th, 2008

Hello, Mr. kameny. thanks for all you’ve done over the decades. Everyone here owes you a debt. I remember as a boy seeing a newspaper report about you and the protest in front of the White House (I think) and thinking– brave man.

Ben in Oakland

March 11th, 2008

Keeping in mind Timothy’s very justified comments on repeating unverifiable stateents form miscellaneous websites, I just saw this on Pam’s Houce Blend.

“been monitoring the Oklahoma online news source that seems to be covering this story extensively? It seems that some people who have commented on their topix forum have mentioned that Sally Kern has a gay son. The people asked Sally about it and her answer was, “I don’t think so . . . he’s never said that to his father, he’s never said that to his brother. You need to ask him that.”
The reporter goes on to say they have tried to contact the son with no success.”

I have been unable to find any video extracts that show this alleged conversation. This still does not reach any standard of evidence that would be acceptable.

But to me, it raises several questions that I think ARE legitimate to ask. Let us assume for a moment that this alleged report IS accurate.

“I don’t think so . . . he’s never said that to his father, he’s never said that to his brother. You need to ask him that.” This is the deniability equivalent of damning someone with faint praise. Maybe the boy isn’t gay, but she doesn’t say that, when she could. Methinks I smell a rat.

But I also have questions about the rat. Phyllis Schlafley has a gay son, and she has spouted much of the same vitriol. Brief news stir, then nothing. She says she loves her children, he says (as far as I know) nothing. So what does it mean if Kern has a gay son? Brief news stir, then nothing would be my guess. The son denouncing his mother? It could be a great film, him challenging every single bit of venom she’s dripping from those fangs of hers, including the obvious affront to family values. The mother realizing that she os projecting her issues onto gay people, claming them for her son’s unnatural choice? Mom apologizing, or even seeing that she needs to apologize.

I don’t think we can count on any of them happening.

On the other hand, this could get very interesting.

Timothy Kincaid

March 11th, 2008

Rumor (and it is only rumor) says that the son is named Jesse Kern.

Ben if you do find better confirmation, please let me know.


March 11th, 2008

If the son is gay, he might denounce his mother, or maybe he’ll just try to get her to hire him…

Phyllis Schlafly’s son John works as a lawyer for his mom’s Eagle Forum. He avoids the spotlight, but seems to basically hold the same views as his mom. I think he’s in his 50s now but he was reportedly living with his mom at least at least as recently as the early 90s (when he was outed by Mike Signorile). I can’t even imagine what kind of crazy lived in that house.

Oh yeah, and Tim and Beverly LaHaye have a gay son Lee who works for Concerned Women for America. No word on where Lee lives.

Who needs to worry about being fired for being gay when you can get a job at your mom’s right-wing foundation?

Timothy Kincaid

March 11th, 2008

It always amazes me how many uber-phobes have gay kids. It proves to me that God has a huge appreciation for irony.

Ben in Oakland

March 11th, 2008

I wish he had the same appreciation for caring what goes on his name. If Iam going to have a deity, I just wish it owuld be one that takes the job seriously and is NOT one who thinks he’s a comedian, ironic or no.

Jason D

March 11th, 2008

Ben, there’s a futurama episode where Bender gets shot out of the ship and they can’t catch up wit him. While floating in space, he’s pelted by meteorites that have little alien people on them. They think he saved them and he becomes a “god” to them.
1st he tries to fullfill his selfish desires and the people suffer. Then he tries to help them directly, which goes horribly wrong and the people suffer. He tries not helping them and they are consumed by infighting on the best way to worship bender and end up annhialating each other.

Bender then meets the real God who explains that the best way to work is through indirect and subtle ways. God says, “if you do things right, they won’t be able to tell whether you’ve done anything at all.”

Look at the way we worship and destroy our own politicians and celebrities, I doubt God would fair much better.

Ben in Oakland

March 11th, 2008

Well, Jason, there is that to consider.

What if you have a deity that is all knowing and all powerful, but at the same time is, by deitical standards,not particularly competent?

James Branch Cabell explored that theme repeatedly in the many books comprising the biography of Manuel. Sadly, no one reads Cabell anymore.

Heather Haney

March 11th, 2008

Please post this on your website, you have my permission.

Please sign the petition to get Sally Kern out of Office. Forward to all your friends, post on your blogs!

Fancy Pants

March 14th, 2008

The comments made by Representative Kern led me to create a new website expressing my own point of view.


March 28th, 2008

This woman needs a lap dance.

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