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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbySeptember 20th, 2009
That pearl of wisdom came from Michael Schwartz, chief of staff for Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK). He and two others held a workshop on “The New Masculinity” at this weekend’s Voter Values Summit in Washington, D.C. Schwartz claims that his ex-gay friend revealed the true secret of how homosexuality is “inflicted on people”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYdyFRHizTgSCHWARTZ: (4:33) And one of the things that he said to me, that I think is an astonishingly insightful remark. He said, “all pornography is homosexual pornography because all pornography turns your sexual drive inwards. Now think about that. And if you, if you tell an 11-year-old boy about that, do you think he\’s going to want to go out and get a copy of Playboy? I\’m pretty sure he\’ll lose interest. That\’s the last thing he wants.” You know, that\’s a, that\’s a good comment. It\’s a good point and it\’s a good thing to teach young people.
… (5:28) But all pornography is homosexual pornography because all pornography turns your sexual drive inwards. And that in fact is what it does. I know couples now who are struggling with the husband’s addiction to pornography. It’s a terrible thing, and that is what happened to him. You know, if it doesn’t turn you homosexual, it at least renders you less capable of loving your wife.
I don’t know what’s crazier: the notion that “Debbie Does Dallas” or “Deep Throat” are gay movies, or where he ends this clip. If being “less capable of loving your wife” is along some sort of scale where loving your wife is on one end and being gay is the other, then isn’t everyone who divorces somehow more gay and less straight? Is Newt Gingrich (two divorces) gayer than Bill Clinton (still on wife #1)? Help me out here. heterosexual “logic” hurts my brain.
[via Think Progress]
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Gina9223
September 20th, 2009
I’m blonde and totally lost on the logic they used…..and why do they think its ok to show a Playboy to an 11 year old? DOB’s
Burr
September 20th, 2009
“After all, homosexuality, we know, studies have been done by the National Institute of Health to try to prove that its genetic and all those studies have proved its not genetic. Homosexuality is inflicted on people.”
Anyone have any idea what he’s remotely talking about here?
If porn made everyone gay.. well.. then we wouldn’t have to worry about equal rights any more. We’d be the VAST majority of the population!
Burr
September 20th, 2009
Also, that makes Utah and many other red states that top the charts in pornography consumed some really gay ass states. Go figure!
Rebecca
September 20th, 2009
…LOL.
I really have no other reaction.
Mike
September 20th, 2009
These people are obsessed! It’s so wacky.
Penguinsaur
September 20th, 2009
“After all, homosexuality, we know, studies have been done by the National Institute of Health to try to prove that its genetic and all those studies have proved its not genetic. Homosexuality is inflicted on people.â€
They always think pointing out no ones found a gay gene proves something. Have they found a straight gene? I don’t think so, probably because something as complicated as sexuality is affected by so many factors its impossible to point out just one. Not that these bigots care, they know this is BS but it lets them tell the media their campaign to take rights away from fellow americans is somehow protecting anyone.
KZ
September 20th, 2009
Is this the same gathering were participants harassed reporters from MSNBC and Fox News? If it is, no wonder people didn’t want the media covering this! It’s disturbing. How does one reason with those who have this bizarre mindset?
Ok. So homosexuality is most likely not genetic. And that means it MUST be inflicted on people??? No, Burr, I haven’t the foggiest. But I’m certain that the audience is drinking this crap up.
Richard Rush
September 20th, 2009
I think it’s fair to say that the vast majority of the Values Voters crowd share a belief system that is largely delusional and superstitious, thereby creating a reality for themselves that is mostly fabricated from Magic Truth. So, in their world it doesn’t feel bizarre when one of their leaders asserts that all porn is gay porn. Beliefs that cannot be supported by evidence/reason/logic is perfectly normal for them. Things become true through magic.
And I guess the “all porn is gay porn” notion is also part of a larger strategy of finding ways to blame gays for everything they hate.
David Malcolm
September 20th, 2009
Hmmm if all porn is gay porn… then how come there aren’t more hot men?
Edwin
September 20th, 2009
That whole group sound like a bunch of ostrich’s with their heads in the sand. If they all had any brains they would do some thinking for them selves. But I guess they follow one leader who doesn’t know up from down.
Just another bunch that don’t know what they are talking about.
Dumb a**es!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan
September 20th, 2009
You know… They have a point!
I did look at a playboy when I was 11 and from that point I knew I was gay!
What they forgot to mention that same porn turns lesbians straight. I know if I was a lesbian and I look at porn I would definitely go for the guys!
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September 20th, 2009
His “ex-gay” friend: totally made-up, or is actually himself.
Emily K
September 20th, 2009
I think these people are missing the definition of “pornography.”
Richard W. Fitch
September 20th, 2009
Emily, perhaps more to the point is the fact that there is no single, accepted definition of “pornography”. Some 21st century Victorians consider Michaelangelo’s ‘David’ such; while others claim some of the most bizarre sexual depictions as valid modern art. There is no more likely prospect of reaching agreement here as on any other topic which is ultimately rooted in one’s religious beliefs, or lack thereof. Although to some of us they are ‘certifiable’, they find it quite logical to their worldview.
Emily K
September 20th, 2009
Believe me, as a working artist, I know about the strange blur between art-is-porn//porn-is-art and so forth.
I’m just saying that I think they’re missing the point that the idea behind porn is that it’s arousing to the person looking at it and that the person enjoys looking at it. Now there’s all sorts of blurs regarding whether someone is aroused by something in a picture that they would never do in real life – but I doubt these people would understand something that complex.
GreenEyedLilo
September 20th, 2009
Wow. I think I broke something I might need later trying to process that. But at least I didn’t break as much of my brain as Michael Schwartz clearly has. I don’t know what he’d do with, say, mixed-sex married couples who enjoy watching pornography together. It might be fun to find out.
Isn’t Tom Coburn a medical doctor? You’d think he’d have at least a little regard for actual science, if that’s the case.
Also, can anyone else imagine someone trying to use this allegedly ace argument against porno in a middle-school students’ Sunday School class? “Boys, if you look at Playboy, it’ll turn you gay!” “Um, what?”
Priya Lynn
September 20th, 2009
By the same token all sex is gay sex. Think about it, if a man has sex with a woman he’s experiencing pleasure through the male body as a conduit, he’s getting pleasure from a male body – it’s gay!
Bill S
September 21st, 2009
Well, there ARE people who think masturbation is a form of gay sex, since you’re touching someone who’s the same gender as you.
Leo
September 21st, 2009
I remember when conservatism was animated by a sense of personal responsibility. In the last 15 years it’s degenerated into endless scape goating and tortured logic directed to evade any personal responsibility.
Now all porn is “gay” even when it’s being made for and by heterosexuals. A straight man watching a Jenna Jamison DVD is engaging in “gay” behavior. An inattentive husband is somehow being “gay”. Sort of how gay marriage is somehow going to ruin the institution for heterosexuals in a country with a 50% divorce rate. There doesn’t appear to be any failing that they assume responsibility for. It’s all being inflicted on them by outside forces. Pathetic and gutless.
Chris McCoy
September 21st, 2009
I wonder if Larry Flint and Hugh Hefner know they’re gay, and that their magazines are full of “gay” porn…
R Holmes
September 21st, 2009
Yay! Bigot logic roolz.
John
September 21st, 2009
I guess he has a point, that is if the teen looking at Hustler only looked at the photos of couples and stared at the guy’s schlong…
JimInMa
September 21st, 2009
Maybe they’re just trying to justify their own “conversion” to homosexuality. Because then it will be someone else’s fault when they leave their wives.
Priya Lynn
September 21st, 2009
I noticed that porn movies with men and women in them are much more popular than all female porn movies. It suggests to me that most heterosexual males must be a little bit gay or it’d be the other way around.
Mykelb
September 21st, 2009
I bet that Hugh Heffner, Bob Guccione, and Larry Flint would disagree with this characterization of pornography. These far right wing fanatics are sex-obsessed and it has placed them even farther into a paranoic, delusional, hate-filled world view.
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September 21st, 2009
By the way…
http://www.enterthejabberwock.com/?p=465
Emily K
September 21st, 2009
they’re not just sex-obsessed, they’re MALE obsessed. It’s all about the cock for them.
Timothy Kincaid
September 21st, 2009
I owned scissors and tape.
;)
John
September 21st, 2009
“I owned scissors and tape.”
I plead the 5th…
[whistles innocently]
Trovore
September 22nd, 2009
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Kubathemaster
December 17th, 2009
Too much of anything including porn may change your mind about things
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