Box Turtle Bulletin

Who the hell uses the word ligature? Call me skeptical. News and police reports are not proof neither are injuries anymore. Lesbian set on fire last week? Yeah that as a fake. Skin carved? Faked too. Branded university student. Also faked.

Sami

Sadly our community has proven time and time again we can be just as bigoted and stupid as anyone else.

I hope whoever did this tries to brag about it and gets their ass kicked. Yes I realize that makes me a bad person, don’t really care at the moment.

Rowan Bristol

I call bullshit. Especially looking at the lack of sweeling around the eyes, and the marks on his neck. I’m not going to say ‘we don’t do that sort of thing’, but no witnesses, minimal injuries…All I have to say is prove me wrong, but we’re back to the lesbian set on fire situation.

Rowan Bristol

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/175876291.html

JSOnline only had a single blog post, and it got pulled. Nothing on WMSN (A FOX affiliate)Nothing on WKOW…

NBC references the Daily Caller. No forced entry, no robbery, and Wood isn’t talking to the press. Wow. I guess the evil liberal media wins again. Fake gay-on-gay hate crimes aren’t as newsworthy as they used to be.

Rowan Bristol

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/10/n-y-gay-rights-activist-community-leader-near-death-after-savage-beating/

Meanwhile, in Queens…

gsingjane

I hate to sound so skeptical and unsympathetic, but if this man’s face was “smashed into a mirror,” then I assume the mirror broke, probably into many sharp pieces. I mean I’ve cut myself on a broken mirror just from handling it, much less being “smashed into it.” It does seem a bit odd that he wasn’t more deeply or badly cut, doesn’t it?

Regan DuCasse

Typically we ALWAYS denounce acts of serious violence that a possibly gay person might have committed.
The point is, it’s so extremely rare and sometimes lacks the kind of extreme violence that most gay people receive.

Mark Potok, president of SPLC had an article in Salon a day ago about the dangers of false reporting of hate crimes.
The motive in this case was political, to be sure.
But there have been several cases of gays and lesbians wrongly saying they were the victims of a hate crime.
In one case, the man had fallen down some stairs and gotten injured that way. He had somewhat worse injuries than Wood received.

And we all know too well, how much hyperbole the anti gay add to what they perceive as a threat, hate crime or intimidation.
Usually with no evidence, or police report to back up their claims.

As I said, we have been quick to denounce any attacks that our side has committed.
I personally always hated the trend of glitter bombing.

I hope this case will be handled properly and the perps caught.
I’ll reserve a conclusion until further investigation.

The fact remains, when gay people have been horribly attacked, like the teen lesbian couple in TX this summer.
We didn’t hear any apology, any denouncement, or even any condolences or support for those girls from any of the anti gay.
And THAT suffering continues.

I do have to wonder at the LCR, GoProud, who support outright ANTI GAY candidates because they are Republican.
Okay then, Wood doesn’t support a gay political candidate because they are gay, but he WILL because they are Republican?
Nobody is PUNISHING Republicans, nor are they discriminated against.
One can change parties quicker than orientation, and it’s the orientation by which gay citizens are still being harmed.

TampaZeke

Timothy, I think you got punked on this one but hang in there, I’m sure you will eventually find your mean ole gay beats up Republican gotcha story.

JCF

Prayers for Mr Wood’s healing, one way or another.

Truth Will Out

Ryan

I don’t see the value in rushing forward and calling “bullshit”. What’s worse? Extending sympathy to someone who doesn’t deserve it, or calling someone who just got beat up a liar? My sympathies to this man and his loved ones. It costs me nothing to say that, and I don’t have to worry about any karmic retribution.

Ben M

I noticed the Journal Sentinel pulled their article.

Regardless, I hope that the perpetrator is found and arrested.

Donny D.

I’m gonna wait and see on this one.

Stephen

I don’t believe a word of it.

chiMaxx

My thoughts and best wishes to Kyle Wood and Lou Rispoli.

Priya Lynn

Ryan said “I donâ€™t see the value in rushing forward and calling â€œbullshitâ€. Whatâ€™s worse? Extending sympathy to someone who doesnâ€™t deserve it, or calling someone who just got beat up a liar?”.

I couldn’t agree more. Unless there is proof its unethical to claim this is fake.

John (not McCain)

Meriter Hospital Madison:

General Information and Patient Room Information (608) 417-6000

Can’t call myself at the moment, but should be easy to verify if he’s there or not.

Timothy Kincaid

Wood was reportedly treated and released by the hospital, not ‘hospitalized’ as I first reported.

Robert

I have one question:

What SANE individual leaves their doors unlocked after having majorly threatening things scrawled on their car?

This sounds a lot like the A-List Dallas guy who claimed someone threw rocks through his window. The facts do not add up.

I hope he is ok, regardless of the circumstances, but it does sound suspect to me. A person just doesn’t leave their home unlocked after having threatening vandalism on their automobile.

Sounds like a trick gone wild situation or a set up like they are warning people of in San Francisco.

With the recent rash of self inflicted “crimes” we have seen lately, I take ALL these situations worth a grain of salt until they are proven to be true. Recently a black woman lit herself on fire and blamed it on the KKK, a lesbian lit her house on fire and claimed it was gay bashing. This seems to happen quite a bit during electoral cycles.

Color me sceptical.

Robert

Oh, and then there was the young guy a few months ago who claimed he got gay bashed and then we find out he was really just not good at doing backflips on the sidewalk.

Then the backward B on the McCain volunteer, and other such stories. It is difficult to discern who is telling the truth and who isn’t anymore. It does great damge to actual bashing incidents. If this was real I am sorry for him, and if it’s fake I feel even more sorry for him.

AlexH

I remember the guy who did the back-flip on the curb. Didn’t know a camera was running; likewise the backward “B.”

In this situation, I hope it isn’t true, but nevertheless, I’ll err on the side of caution and hope he has a speedy recovery and that they find the perpetrator.

Because if it is real, I’d like to know what the aggressor was thinking he would accomplish by doing this?

Randy

Wow… The comments on this website make me sad to be a part of this community. We complain about the shit said about us on conservative websites but then when one of our own is beaten up because he supported another cause in we distrust him. I feel sorry for him and ashamed of a lot of you. We get enough shit flung at us we do not need to fling it at each other. So many haters even on here.

gsingjane

Randy, that’s a good example of calling people “haters” when they’re doing nothing of the kind. That devalues the word and makes it meaningless.

This story does not hang together, or pass the “smell test.” Before we all run out and start holding vigils and prayer chains and rallies for this guy, it makes sense to find out whether it’s the publicity stunt it sounds like.

Maybe it isn’t. Weird things happen. But simply raising reasonable suspicions about a fishy-sounding story does not turn anybody on this site or who commented into a “hater,” it just doesn’t.

If this guy was legitimately gay-bashed, we’ll all feel dumb and maybe believe the next guy a little more quickly. But, believe me, nothing on this site is doing anything bad to him, whatsoever. And if he’s trying to tar the GLBT community by making false allegations, then HE’s the bad guy, not us.

Robert

Randy, so what you are saying is we should never be sceptical? Well, I disagree. I used to jump on every single story like this untill some of them came back as false, and then I decided that I’d wait until the evidence of an actual crime was supported by an investigation. And I believe even the sceptics like myself say that if this is true, then I feel for him and hope for his speedy ecovery. If it’s false, I’ll feel sorry for him for different reasons, but will still wish him a speedy recovery. More often than not stories like this around the electoral cycle, especially by known political operatives, just smell fishy. What about the real victims that people who make false claims hurt (the individuals I mentioned in my previous post, not this person -unless it comes out as being a fake)? And these false claims DO hurt individuals that actually suffer true attacks. I’m sorry, but these political type of attacks have almost 100 percent of the time came back as falsified for political purpose.

Keep your shame for some of us to yourself, at least until the facts bear out the story. If and when this gets proven to be true, I will then say I believe his story. It just seems to bee too politically convienient at this point in time.

Ben M

There are more details of the event at http://watchdog.org/60475/wi-political-attack-an-interview-with-kyle-wood/.

I’m not very familiar with watchdog.org, but from what I have researching in the last hour, it appears to be tied to conservative funding sources.

In addition, in the above interview, he is now saying that answered the door because he assumed it was Mormon missionaries coming to say good by (Wood is also a Mormon the story states). This seems a large change in the story.

Ben M

Hmmm, I’m not sure what I was reading for my post above. I guess the story didn’t change, just got more detailed.

Timothy Kincaid

The Sentinel-Journal is getting a piece ready. I’ll post it when it hits.

Robert

Ben M,

Usually a police report has all the details, like he opened the door but the incident report from the police says the assailant entered from an unlocked door, with no mention of the fact that he had gone to the door because he had heard a knock and he opened it. This still seems strange.

I also find it ironic that in the story you posted he talks about the Ayn Rand quote on his desk:

â€œThe smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights, cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.â€

And yet he’s campaigning for a guy who would deny individual rights. And he uses every single chance he gets to denigrate Hate Crimes laws. I smell agenda.

Eric in Oakland

gsingjane said: “If this guy was legitimately gay-bashed, weâ€™ll all feel dumb and maybe believe the next guy a little more quickly.”

Except that he does not claim to have been gay-bashed. He claims to have been attacked for being a Republican.

Regan DuCasse

Correction Eric, Wood specifically said what kind of epithets were used in the vandalism, the implication being that gay men were the perpetrators.
And the suspicion being that it’s gay men who beat him up.

This kind of runs the question up the pole: if the crime was committed on someone of the same minority, is it still a hate crime.
There are no hate crimes statutes for individual political affiliations.
But the anti gay have a pathological need to be victims of gay people, no matter WHAT it is.
But for the orientation of the victim, and the assumption of it for the perps, this would otherwise just be called assault and battery, not a hate crime at all.

I have noticed that, if any acts of assault have been committed by gay people of late…there is hardly the level of violence, cunning or escape involved that has been perpetrated on the gay community. To say nothing of how EXTREMELY rare it is, as a political statement.

Regardless that most gay people have fought or fought back with due process of law, even these perfectly legal avenues of complaint and redress are decried as bullying, militant and threatening.
So, I’m willing to wait also until further information comes out.
And it’s fair for there to be skepticism, considering how desperately the anti gay behave in order to defame the gay community.

Timothy Kincaid

Robert,

Would Chad Lee deny individual rights? His website makes no mention of social issues at all – not even a mention of ‘family’. Do you have a better source,

Robert

Timothy, I don’t know what you are smoking, but when I read his positions on his website, I certainly believe repealing the Affordable Care Act, making medicare into a voucher system, extending the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy, and slashing the GSA and other federal programs certainly takes away individual rights. Not to mention his undying support for current Republican Leadership. We all watched the Republican Debates, and supportting ANY Republican leader means taking away rights, or at least saying you want to take away rights.

Timothy Kincaid