Just how batpoop crazy David Barton really is

Timothy Kincaid

September 4th, 2015

I mostly ignore Christian “historian” David Barton. His assertions about the founding of the country, its founders, and their intent is almost without exception unfounded. Frequently they are baldfaced lies.

But just as an example of how completely nutcase are his assertions, listen to him tell Glen Beck the difference between a democracy and a republic. I can’t figure out how to post this video, so go listen here.

Sadly, people listen to this and instead of saying, “that’s complete nonsense”, they think he’s telling them some great truth that the media and the liberals are trying to hide from them.

Priya Lynn

September 4th, 2015

Holy crap! (no pun intended)

Richard Rush

September 4th, 2015

Over the years I would sometimes feel that fanatical religious belief must be a mental illness, but then I would step back and decide that I was going too far.

Recently, I’ve been reading lots of posts and comments on a few religious websites, most notably Charisma News. David Barton fits right in. Many, if not most people I see are essentially allergic to reality, and addicted to imaginary facts.

At this point I don’t know how these people could NOT be classified as mentally ill. But since they are not, it’s probably because 1) there are so many of them who feed off each other, and make each other feel rational and 2) because our society is conditioned to give special deference and respect to religious beliefs.

Timothy Kincaid

September 4th, 2015


I suppose that fanatical beliefs of any sort probably have some component of mental illness. Sadly, they’re quite common.

I see it a lot in political beliefs. It’s what allows the right to think that liberals are trying to brainwash their children. It’s what allows the left to believe that all conservatives are hateful and stupid.

But yes, religion seems to bring it out more than most other things.

Regan DuCasse

September 4th, 2015

I think mental illness is what the whole Mormon religion was started on.


September 4th, 2015

I think you could say the same thing about the whole Roman Catholics, Ms. DuCasse.

Though Glenn Beck is a Mormon, he’s a convert. It has been my experience with LDS converts to give them a wide berth sometimes.

Mr. Beck’s and Mr. Barton’s niche is making money from controversial memes. That’s how they make tons of money…even when the books they sell are utter failures and fraught with embarrassing “facts” they still make a pretty tidy sum from publishing them.

It’s all for money.

Timothy Kincaid

September 4th, 2015

I like to give converts of any stripe a pretty wide berth: political converts, religious converts, reformed smokers, non-drinkers, newly converted stamp collectors, anyone!!


September 4th, 2015

Well then I guess that Glenn Beck and David Barton will next set to change the Pledge of Allegiance as it is currently written, “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” Of course we all know that the “under God” portion was added in 1954 to deal with the “Red Scare”.

Richard Rush

September 4th, 2015

Timothy, I can’t think of anything that provides more traction and longevity to fanatical beliefs/endeavors than religion.

Communism in Russia, which certainly involved fanatical beliefs, didn’t even last a hundred years, but now the Russian Orthodox Church is back, and the Communist period is starting to look like a blip.

There is just nothing that provides more traction to fanatical beliefs/endeavors than having a god on your side who will assuredly provide rewards for your efforts in either this life or the next.


September 5th, 2015

If any of Barton’s assertions in this video were even remotely true, the founding tathers of the US would never have written the Establishment Clause, separation of Church and State, into the Constitution. He doesn’t seem to understand much about the US or France.

Ben in oakland

September 5th, 2015

John, it is not that he doesn’t seem to. there is just no money in understanding it.

Jerry Sloan

September 5th, 2015

One thing that has been overlooked by the press is an explanation of what is an Apostolic Christian. Apostolic churches are an extreme form of Pentecostalism. They are not Trinitarian but Jesus Only. The pastor is the absolute authority in the church.

Many years ago when I was starting an MCC in Des Monies I visited an Apostolic church. I had seen it advertised in Charisma Magazine. The service was not until 2 pm in the afternoon.

It was a nice sanctuary seating about 400 people and it was full.

I was greeted at the door and assigned a member to sit with me and answer any questions I might have.

The service started in typical Pentecostal manner with lots of singing and hand clapping.

About a half hour into the singing I noticed people beginning to lay hands on people around them and pray for them.

At the same time I noticed ushers running up and down the aisles with rolls of paper towels and plastic waste baskets.

The people who were being prayed for started coughing and hacking into the paper towels and the waste baskets. I was told sometimes people actually vomited.

These people were supposed to be coughing up demons as they were being prayed for.

I managed to stay through the service but could not get out of there fast enough!

Richard Rush

September 5th, 2015

Jerry, I had some experience with an Assembly of God church during the late 1950s through the early 1960s. The Apostolic Church sounds like Assembly of God on steroids. Would that be an apt description?

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