Gay or Bromance?

Jim Burroway

February 17th, 2010

Ex-gays struggle with the concept.

Ben in Oakland

February 17th, 2010

I’m not 100% sure, but the two links go to identical stories with different authors.

Is plagiarism still the sincerest form of flattery?

Individual comments just made me go huh? One woman started having thoughts she never owuld have had had two other women not flirted with each other.

RT wonders why a young man would be so comfortable flirting with other guys. Maybe because no one cares despite RT’s best efforts?

“Experiencing same-sex attractions.” I never realized before how distance making, isolating, depersonalizing, objectifying, irresponsiblitizing that phrase is until I read it in this article. blew me away. Those boys aren’t actually FEELING anything, they are experiencing same sex attractions. wow, that explains everything. It’s like watching avatar with the sound turned off.

Seriously weird.

Burr

February 17th, 2010

I thought “bromance” was just about guys doing “guy stuff” together and being really close friends in the process. It’s about guys being able to be close without having to bring sexuality into it.

Feigning gayness is just a stupid, insulting attempt at humor most of the time, or sometimes the camp is a cover for what they really want to express.

In any case, talk about obsessing over the trivial..

Timothy Kincaid

February 17th, 2010

It amuses me the games that these anti-gay activists will play with themselves to distort language in order not to have to address fact or consider understanding.

No, he’s not gay, he’s just “experiencing sexual ambiguity”. The problems that they face when they just can’t use clear language is that often the words they choose to avoid clear communication already have meaning.

In this case, Ted Slater used a term that suggested that he thought the kid in band practice is intersexed (a “hermaphrodite”).

Alex

February 17th, 2010

Leave it to Randy Thomas & company to make something out of nothing. I guess this means he will have to expand his lexicon to include people who are “formerly bro-identified and are now on a post-bromance journey in Christ.” Pure silliness.

anteros

February 18th, 2010

I’ve met middle eastern guys who greet each other with a hug and kiss… in public. I’ve met african guys who walk together while hold hands… in public.

Big deal.

If certain public displays of affection between guys can generate this much interest, perhaps we need to question how appropriately “gayness” is defined, and whether homophobia is behind the offence taken or objections made.

Are we seeking to copyright what we consider “gayness” and label all those who we think infringe on that copyright and their behavior as “inappropriate”, “insecure”, “homophobic” or whatever else we can come up with?

So what if somebody fakes a lisp or acts effeminate just for fun? By taking offence or keen interest in their mannerisms, aren’t we claiming ownership of the same behaviors we reject as stereotypical?

What if these were instances of inside jokes?

Of course, as observers of such behavior, we cant always tell if it’s genuine affection being displayed, an inside joke or sexual harassment.

I think somebody would know if such behavior is deliberately being used to mock, belittle or otherwise offend any gay people in their presence. We’ve all been called names, it’s nothing new – deal with it or dont.

If somebody has reason to believe that a certain line has been crossed and that they are being sexually harassed – deal with it or dont.

Gabriel Arana

February 18th, 2010

I actually wrote about this after the anti-heterosexism conference: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=i_love_you_man

It is sort of funny how getting close to men is supposed to make you like them less.

Brady

February 18th, 2010

I was pretty amazed when I saw this post. Many (most?) cultures in the world see they types of behavior they are describing as perfectly normal and non-sexual. It’s pretty obvious to me that the situations that brought about this post are innocent, non-sexual encounters between friends. Honestly (and I hate to be rude), but only someone “struggling with SSA” could see this as anything else. There’s something to be said for reading too much into things based on one’s own thoughts and experiences.

Ephilei

February 18th, 2010

I asked my straight South African if we could hold hands (here in Illinois). He thought I was straight at the time. He wasn’t down with that.

Anyway, I think the bromance phenomenon came because its normal and common for friends to be affectionate with each other, regardless of orientation. But male homophobia has made that unacceptable for straight men for fear of being perceived as gay. “Bromance” is a proclamation of affectionate friendship without sexual overtones. It will only last as long as homophobia lasts. In 100 years, heterosexuals won’t be offended if something thinks they’re gay.

AlexH

February 18th, 2010

Hmmm… It’s interesting how a lot of the comments posted on that other blog continuously referenced their “church” or “Christian” college; I guess it must be catered toward the devout crowd.

You know I would be fine with whatever ex-gays want to define themselves as, but when they use that as “proof” that other people can change that’s when I have the problem.

There’s a male porn-star out there who does some really hot bottoming in his films (with other men) but my friend told me that this guy says he’s “only into men for sex” and that he “prefers women for romantic/emotional relationships without sex.”

But at least he’s not out there saying “I’m cured! I’m cured!”

anteros

February 18th, 2010

Ephilei:

lol! I hope he didnt hurt your feelings.

Compared to other Africans, South Africans are generally more exposed to the pop concept of “gayness” and what kind of behaviors might result in one being perceived as gay… it’s the most gay friendly country on the continent, complete with gay subcultures, gay bars, pride festivals, even gay marriages. So, that dude probably knew what holding hands in public in Illinois might suggest to observers.

The guys I’ve seen holding hands in public were in Uganda, which ironically is an extremely homophobic country. Perhaps homophobia has driven the country’s gay subculture way underground. With so few openly gay Ugandans and an invisible gay subculture, ignorant members of the public are more likely to believe myths about gay people – like Ssempa’s claims that gay people recruit kids and practice fisting and rimming, than they are likely to be concerned about what holding hands with their buddies might suggest.

It looks like a spontaneous thing between good friends, untainted by homophobic concerns… platonic affection and nothing more… asking for permission to hold hands would probably draw attention to otherwise unconsidered reasons why it might not be such a good idea to hold hands.

I wish you better luck for next time:)

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