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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyNovember 8th, 2012
Don’t blame him if God destroys America:
“Unless we’re willing to repent for our sins, we will stand in his judgment,” Graham said Wednesday, shortly after leaving a birthday party for his father, evangelist Billy Graham, in Montreat.
“I want to warn America: God is coming around. He will judge sin, and it won’t be pretty.”
In particular, Graham was referring to the re-election of Obama, a man he has accused of “waving his fist before God” by supporting abortion rights and same-sex marriage. Voters in four states Tuesday either passed laws legalizing gay unions or blocked moves to further restrict it.
…”We have God’s blessing as a nation. Scripture is clear. God blesses countries, but God also brings bedlam when countries turn their back on him. If we don’t obey his laws, he will withdraw his hand of protection.”
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Hunter
November 8th, 2012
I’m afraid I have to start off with my usual question: Which god would that be, specifically? There are a couple hundred that we know of, and most of them don’t seem to have much regard for the Christian concept of “sin.”
Neil
November 8th, 2012
Scripture is clear that God blesses countries? Really? I suppose that could be said for ancient Israel or Judea, but the United States, Russia, Surinam?
Lucas Dawn
November 8th, 2012
In the law/covenant of Moses with the nation of Israel, God does promise to bless Israel if it keeps his laws. If, however, Israel disobeys, God will bring curses, including exile (which eventually happened).
In Jesus’ new kingdom of God, however, the new covenant includes promises for that kingdom, Jesus’ kingdom of disciples in every nation. For example, his meek (gentle) disciples will be blessed in the end with inheriting the earth (unlike Israel, who were told to kill Canaanites in their promised land). Jesus does not speak of blessing for Israel or any other nation; after he is anointed as the new king at his baptism, he rejects all the kingdoms of the world in order to remain king of the kingdom of God.
Bill T.
November 8th, 2012
God must LOVE China right now.
Mark F.
November 8th, 2012
I thought God judged individual people , not political entities or nation states.
MattNYC
November 9th, 2012
“The nation of Israel” does NOT mean the geopolitical entity known as modern Israel. It means the PEOPLE (i.e., the Jews). That is of course if you believe in the scribblings of humans vying to control others…
Ben in Oakland
November 9th, 2012
Sooner or later, god s going to show you how much he agrees with me. Sooner r later.
One of the two.
These people seem to believe that omnipotent, omniscient god some kid of a puppet, or perhaps that he confides his plans to the likes of them. Or maybe it’s megalomania. Or stupidity. Or even blasphemy.
God knows.
Hunter
November 9th, 2012
Mark F.: to people like Graham, God judges everybody. Apparently, he has nothing better to do with his time.
TampaZeke
November 9th, 2012
Has this lying hypocrite and his lying hypocrite father redeclared Mormonism a dangerous unChristian cult yet?
If not, I’m taking odds on how many days it will take.
Snowman
November 9th, 2012
So how come “god” hasn’t withdrawn his “hand of protection from Canada yet? Denmark? Mexico? Norway? Sweden?
This guy is about as likely to actually represent God as I am (despite being of Norwegian descent) to be the high priest of Thor.
revchicoucc
November 9th, 2012
Yet another fundamentalist who loves the Bible but doesn’t know what’s in it.
There is nothing, nothing, nothing in the Bible that singles out any modern nation-state/country for “blessing” or a “cursing.”
There is no interpretive lens that can support this view, not even literalism, which would require the United States of America be literally named, not symbolically represented.
Countries as in the concept of the modern nation state with fixed geographical boundaries simply did not exist in Biblical times. In the Bible, “nation” refers to ethnic people groups. “Kingdom” refers to geographical areas, usually occupied by a single dominant people group with a recognized hereditary ruler. This is more pertinant to the Old Testament (as Christians call it) than the New.
The political context of the New Testament is entirely the Roman Empire. “Nations” in the NT still refer to people groups, nothing close to the modern nation-state/country.
revchicoucc
November 9th, 2012
Oh, and one more thing, Franklin.
It won’t be pretty when you stand before God in judgement and he opens your file in the Lamb’s Book of Life and finds that your mean-spirited hatefulness created a stumbling block for people who decided not to believe in God soley because of what you said and did to give God a bad reputation.
He’ll peer down at you and raise his eyebrows and say: “Well, Franklin. I commanded you to love your neighbor as yourself and all you ever did was love yourself. You seem to have missed that part of Leviticus, and didn’t pay attention when Jesus said it either. Explain yourself, Franklin. (Pause) Well? I’m waiting.”
No, Franklin. It won’t be pretty at all.
Regan DuCasse
November 9th, 2012
I’m with Medea on what she thinks of the Bible.
“I was looking and trying to read the parts in red of the New Testimony and Jesus was talking too much for me…”
TampaZeke
November 9th, 2012
@revchicoucc,
…and then Graham will say, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?”
and the Lord will say, “I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!”
I may be Buddhist but as a former Southern Baptist I still know my Bible quotes!
As a Buddhist I don’t believe that this will happen to Graham upon his death but the human in me can’t help but enjoying imagining it would.
I actually found Buddhism while I was a member, and Moderator, of a UCC. They gave me the space and the support to pursue a spiritual path that wasn’t Christian. I’ll always be grateful for that.
Timothy Kincaid
November 9th, 2012
revchicoucc
I can’t help but think that God’s primary prism for evaluating ministers is: ‘do they bring people to me or drive people away from me?’
Franklin should hope otherwise.
revchicoucc
November 9th, 2012
@TampaZeke. As a UCC pastor with a liberal, progressive theology, I don’t much believe in eternal damnation either. Kind of miss it somedays.
@Timothy Kincaid. Good insight, and biblically supportable from some of Paul’s writings in the NT.
Fundamentalists used to like Paul more than Jesus, but even Paul wasn’t judgmental enough for them. Now they seem to prefer OT prophets, the more dire the better.
Why they can’t use those prophets to support working for justice instead of calling down fire, I will never understand.
Timothy Kincaid
November 9th, 2012
The problem with Paul is that all his judgment stuff was a set up for his joyous redemption stuff. We’re all horrible evil vile sinners who deserve nothing but eternal punishment but God loves us and doesn’t give a flying fig about how horrible we are.
If only Paul had left out that second part I think a lot of them would be happier. They could be happy little Paulites practicing their Paulitics.
Jaime
November 11th, 2012
@timothy Kincaid
Excellent pun.
Patricia Kayden
November 12th, 2012
So not voting for a lying, outsourcing, flip flopping, out of touch multi-millionaire means that God is going to destroy the US?
Please shut up Franklin. You’re a disgrace to Christianity.
TonyJazz
November 12th, 2012
I’m very happy that his dad endorsed Romney—-because he lost.
At least the much more moral candidate won the presidency.
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