When Dominionists “Take Their Equal Places In Politics”

Jim Burroway

July 1st, 2010

The theocratic temptation that is holding many on the Christian far-right in its grip is beginning to alarm other Christians. Among them is Discernment Ministries, which lately appears alarmed at the tendency to call dreams and visions revelations from God without any scriptural or other basis other than the dreamer’s say so. Lately, they’ve been monitoring the Seven Mountains Mandate and the so-called New Apostolic Reformation. The Dr. Rev. Orrel Steinkamp blasts Janet Porter and Lou Engle, among many others, for their skewed version of Christianity:

C. Peter Wagner, chief apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), made a tactical decision to see Dominionism as temporarily consistent with democracy. I have not been able to locate when and where Wagner made such an “apostolic decree.” But, indeed, the Kingdom of God cannot ultimately be a democracy. For Wagner and any other Dominionist, the democratic process can only be a way station on the road to their “kingdom of God on the earth,” which is prior to the real Parousia.

Wagner’s tactical decision (as opposed to strategic decision) was a major change. It opened the way for the false apostles and prophets to enter the political arena. So now “apostle” Lou Engle is free to lay apostolic hands of blessing on 3-time divorcee Newt Gingrich. Now the NAR apostles and prophets, thanks to Janet Porter and WorldNetDaily, can take their equal places in politics. Now they have the blessing of James Dobson, who endorsed Janet Porter’s May Day event at the Lincoln Memorial. Now Cindy Jacobs, prophetess extraordinaire, who had a visit of the Seraphim in her room that caught it on fire, can share the stage with Newt Gingrich. Now Rick Joyner, who has his own political action organization which he calls the Oak Initiative — and who reportedly made a trip to heaven and heard Martin Luther repent of the Reformation — can rub shoulders with James Dobson.

So now these self-anointed, self-appointed apostles of the NAR, laden down with false signs and wonders, false apostolic decrees, and false prophets — who compete with each other in imaginary “can you top this” fraudulent oracles supposed to be from God — have been given the kiss of acceptance by Christian Right politicians, including James Dobson. The apostles and prophets see this as a match made in heaven, a giant step toward appointing apostles as governors of every state and province in the world, complete with in-house prophetic seers to make supernatural decisions.

Yesterday, Truth Wins Out’s Evan Hurst, who attended one of Lou Engle’s prayer meetings in St. Louis, observed this penchant to create a god in Engle’s image. Some examples:

He asserts at the beginning that he is a prophet, and not a teacher, which is telling, for several reasons. It shows that we’re dealing with a person who is not only delusional, but also not really a scholar of his chosen subject, the Bible. Engle introduces the story of Jezebel and Ahab, found in 1 Kings, to draw a parallel to modern times where, Engle believes, other Christians who he views as unorthodox are the root of most problems. On one side are Lou, his followers and like-minded people. He will later refer to them as the “Yahweh Separatists.” On the other is basically everyone else in the world, including most Christians, who he refers to as a “Jezebel” generation. He intones the call of the Calvinist reformers, “Sola Scriptura!“, which I think would probably amuse those old Calvinists, considering.

…However at the beginning of the fifth segment, we jump in on one of the creepiest moments of the entire night, as Lou Engle is explaining the “prophetic dreams” he had which called him to his work in St. Louis. Basically he says that God told him that, on the spiritual plane, he is like Charles Lindbergh flying the “Spirit of St. Louis,” that he, on the spiritual plane, IS “St. Louis” (of Engle?), and that his mission IS “The Spirit of St. Louis.” People, the man is delusional, and he’s got a flock of followers behind him who believe every word he says. He’s a cult leader.

“Saint means HOLY and Louis means WARRIOR. Holy war! I like that!”

For the record, Lou Engle is down with the idea of “holy war.” He likes it. In Arabic, they call that jihad.

He then moves into another dream he supposedly had, where God told him he had given him authority over Jezebel, and indeed told him to open his St. Louis church on Lindbergh Boulevard. This, to Lou Engle, is all the fulfillment of divine prophecy, but if you’re not familiar with St. Louis, let me explain something. It’s hard to drive around St. Louis without hitting Lindbergh Boulevard over and over again, because the road is very, very long. Think of the longest, busiest streets in your town. Lindbergh is one of those. Also, as Charles Lindbergh hailed from St. Louis, his name is on quite a few things there! But instead Lou Engle believes this is all evidence that in St. Louis is some sort of “well” that God has “deposited” for them.

Lou Engle continues to recount his dreams, with his followers oohing and aahing at him, as he explains how, he believes, God is giving him a “word of authority” over the government of the state of California, starting with the recall of Governor Gray Davis.

[Hat tip: Warren Throckmorton]

Craig L. Adams

July 1st, 2010

It is left wing, non-Christian critics of the church who first drew my attention to groups like this. Many of us “good” Christians read our Bibles, attend church, pray our prayers, etc. with little or no awareness that these genuinely theocratic groups/movements even exist within Christianity in this country. And, they really are frightening.


July 1st, 2010

For-profit religion. It’s all about the fund-raising. It has no other reason for being and should not be confused with Christianity.

Ben in Oakland

July 1st, 2010

Unless we have the authority to determine who is spaking for god, as opposed to who is speaking ex-cathedra from his belly button, we will have no way to know who is a prophet, who is a false prophet, and who just wants to use relgion to advance his own agenda, lifestyle, or prosperity.

Quite a dilemma, I’d say.

Why, just about any Martin Luther, Alan chambers, Lou Engle, George rekers, or pope can be claiming to speak for god and what god wants.

Just once, I’d like to see the Big guy come down to earth and say uneqivocally: “Joe here speaks for me!”

Except that Joe would probably be a Unitarian.

Jason D

July 1st, 2010

Ben, my question is often why does God not speak for him/herself.

In the Bible (and other books) God wasn’t particularly shy. He seemed to be talking to EVERYBODY, ALL THE TIME, twice on Sundays even!!

I often wonder what happened to make him stop being so chatty?

Ben in Oakland

July 1st, 2010

He probably got tired of telling the Christianistas that they didn’t speak for him.

It’s actually the old paradox about omnipotence.

Is god so powerful that he could create a Christianista so asshaterrific that he couldn’t shut him up?

Chris McCoy

July 1st, 2010

Ben in Oakland said:

Unless we have the authority to determine who is spaking for god, as opposed to who is speaking ex-cathedra from his belly button, we will have no way to know who is a prophet, who is a false prophet, and who just wants to use relgion to advance his own agenda, lifestyle, or prosperity.

Ah, but we have been given the tools to determine who is a false prophet, and who is a true prophet of God. The Apostle Paul is even held up as proof.

“So you claim to be a Prophet of God? Then you won’t mind drinking this glass of bleach as proof then, would you?” Because, of course Jesus warned us that there might be false prophets.

Ben in Oakland

July 1st, 2010

yes, but I have it on authority that there are no glasses of bleach in the Bible.


July 1st, 2010

Chris McCoy said:
Ah, but we have been given the tools to determine who is a false prophet, and who is a true prophet of God. The Apostle Paul is even held up as proof.

The self-appointed-Apostle Paul was on his way to Damascus to destroy Christianity when he experienced his “conversion.” What if that was the means by which he succeeded?

Lynn David

July 2nd, 2010

Lou Engle strikes me as being on par with many a petty dictator or maybe a cult leader.


July 3rd, 2010

Their “theology” is unsound as well.

When god told Adam & Eve about dominion, he wasn’t talking about other people or nations.

Though, given the state of the world; oil spills, deforestation, global warming, the rest of humanity has fallen down on the stewardship side of things as well.

At any rate, I agree that these rabid rabble rousers are no more than money generating businesses. What happened to god supplying all need?

It’s no mistake that fundamental Christianity as we’ve come to know it had it’s start here in North America, the continent, Mexico excluded, of rampent excess and sense of entitlement.

And the constant mewling and puking by them about how they’re being so abused, and intimidated, forgetting that Jesus said it was going to happen and to reJOICE about it, also comes from a sense of entitlement and the prosperity doctrines, as we know them today, ALso started in North America.

I wish more REAL Christians would stand up and recleaim their religion from these usurpers. They do great damage in the name of it’s god.

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