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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyApril 30th, 2012
UPDATE: The original video has been removed. The one above is a copy that was recently uploaded by someone else.
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Gene in L.A.
April 30th, 2012
Bang bang shoot shoot!! I’m a big strong man and I know what I’m talking about. Bang bang bang!!
Dante
April 30th, 2012
Yeah, real big strong men called kids ‘pansy-asses’ instead.
Andrew
May 1st, 2012
I’d love to know whether that was a lawful discharge of a firearm in what seemed like a fairly settled area. Or whether there might have been some trespassing going on as well, since it was “near” his house. And, since the sign was damaged and removed, whether that constituted vandalism and theft. And yes, these things can be prosecuted when it comes to political signs if they are on private (and sometimes public) property.
What a jerk.
dn
May 1st, 2012
Dante, Dan Savage is not relevant to this topic.
Ryan
May 1st, 2012
If you go to NC’s “Protect Marriage” Facebook page, you’ll see numerous photos of their signs being destroyed as well, with lots of comments to the effect of “see? This is what these gay extremists are like!” I think its a bad road to go down. Immature, petty people exist on both sides. It doesn’t in any way speak to the merits of the Amendment itself. Besides, we’re obviously going to lose badly next week. NC is a conservative, Southern state. Best to just focus on Maine, Minnesota, and Washington, where we have a good chance.
Regan DuCasse
May 1st, 2012
Actually Ryan, you don’t see their signs being destroyed. You see a destroyed sign, you don’t see the ACT of doing so.
Big difference. In that, there is no proof whatsoever that someone against Amend. 1 did it. Considering the hyperbole and lies the anti gay are capable of, would it surprise you if they’d destroyed those signs themselves to make their point? They aren’t above destroying reputations, defamation, slander and libel to do so. And they are court room and police evidence averse when it comes to their complaints and accusations being heard before the law.
In this video, the proof is there and the person is using a FIREARM to do it. Which is real evidence and look how quickly they moved to destroy it.
So know, this isn’t the same behavior coming ‘from both sides’.
WE always tend to have more proof of just how low the anti gay will go to bend the court of public opinion to THEIR will.
We are hardly the scare mongers they wish we were.
Blake
May 1st, 2012
Hear Hear Ryan! Other than the bit about NC. NC went for Obama in the last election & the whole sunbelt has been liberalizing thanks to migration. The polls have come way down from where they were too. It’s actually close in NC now (54/40 down from 64ish/38) & the non-super-conservative-republicans are distancing themselves from the amendment. These are victories. Clearly our side is adapting the message in such a way that it is appealing to undecided voters in the South in a way that it failed to do in the other Southern states when they passed amendments as a part of the Bush reelection machine.
But you’re absolutely 100% correct about the bad folks on both sides. That is one of my favorite things to point out when I’m talking to a culture warrior. We all tend to be blind to the bad guys on our side & that is one area where there is an abundance of physical evidence that can confront an assumption. Once you break down 1 assumption you have an opening to challenge others.
Blake
May 1st, 2012
Regan, while our side might not use a firearm I doubt the conspiracy theory you laid out is plausible. Also, the firearm bit is kinda cultural. I could see my cousin doing something similar and thinking nothing of it. People think about guns differently in southern hunting culture. Just a thought, but that video does not strike fear in my heart.
Regan DuCasse
May 1st, 2012
Hi Ryan,
You don’t think the conspiracy theory is plausible?
Check over an JoeMyGod.
The tweets sent out by several of our dissenters that an elderly woman was beaten over an Amendment 1 lawn sign, turned out to be a false report.
I’d say the ENTIRE of anti gay politics is a conspiracy to maintain anti gay discrimination.
Which isn’t a theory at all.
But, appreciate your post, nonetheless.
Ryan
May 1st, 2012
Regan, I certainly hope you don’t think its utterly impossible for a gay or gay friendly person to have ripped up a sign or two. That kind of thinking is almost cult-like. As for the story of the “elderly woman”, most likely there was a minor altercation of some kind that was enthusiastically overreported by the anti-equality types. Not really a “conspiracy”, no.
And of course, absolutely *none* of this has anything at all to do with the merits of the amendment itself, which I wish people would focus on.
@Blake, I appreciate your optimism, but 54/40 is pretty piss poor. Especially since we’ve seen in the past there’s a “Bradley Effect” with gay marriage votes; most of the undecideds will break against us.
Blake
May 1st, 2012
@Ryan 54/40 in the deep south beats the hell out of the following southern results:
GA – 76% for
KY – 75% for
LA – 78% for
OK – 76% for
TX – 76% for
AL – 81% for
SC – 78% for
TN – 81% for
MS – 86% for
Context changes the picture a bit don’t it? Tremendous progress has been made in just the past 8 years. The NC race proves the South’s on its way; but, as always, it’s fashionably late.
StraightGrandmother
May 1st, 2012
And you know what Blake? Those numbers you just put up, (thanks much for doing that)prove to me that we NEED to win these Constitutional Court Cases. Those numbers are what causes me so much distress thinking about the Prop 8 Cases. That narrow ruling does nothing for anybody in any of the above States.
Maybe, Hopefully we will get a Strict Scrutiny decision out of one of the DOMA cases. And then that will help in another Constitutional Marriage case.
And we have so many more battles to fight, Maryland, Minnesota, Maine, Washington, and now Colorado. Just reading the stuff coming out of North Carolina is exhausting.
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