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Timothy Kincaid

February 1st, 2008




Garfield Thompson
December 2nd, 2008 | LINK

This blood stain on the jamaica flag is not even funny. I kno what you are sugesting. But what is worst is what is not being suggested. I see it as disresctful and crude and would love if you remove it……………..

Timothy Kincaid
December 2nd, 2008 | LINK


The blood stain is not an attempt at humor; it is well earned by the people of Jamaica.

This nation, through laws, culture, music, and mob mentality, have consistently shown a harsh animus to gay people. They cradle a culture of violence and death.

And I have repeatedly seen that those who seek to be the conscience of the nation, whether the clergy, the media, or the elected representatives all refuse to admit or address the issue. They uniformly condemn their gay siblings and neighbors and make excuses for those who perpetuate the beatings and the murders.

Should Jamaican culture change, I’ll be glad to cease viewing that nation and its inhabitants as blood-stained and will happily change my graphic. But until that change occurs, for me and for many gay people the flag of Jamaica is a symbol of cruelty, oppression, and death.

January 22nd, 2009 | LINK


I believe you have the wrong impression of jamaica. I am Jamaican and I am proud to be one. Unless you have actually lived here I suggest you speak not of my country that way because I know that every country has as much violence as the next. I ask you kindly to remove that bloodstain for it is disrespectful to MY country.

January 22nd, 2009 | LINK

I find the stupid bloodstain stupid,rude,harsh and idiotic , I live in JAMAICA!do you?I dont think so . So…………….REMOVE IT ALREADY BEFORE WE START A RIOT!!!!!!You are very very very insolent to have put the stain on my national flag!I bet you would not like it if we had put a bloodstain on your flag,so please remove it immediately.

Timothy Kincaid
January 22nd, 2009 | LINK

No, I don’t live in Jamaica. It is a violently homophobic country and those who are gay flee for their lives. A friend recently told me that he is afraid to return even to visit his family.

The blood stain represents all of the death and violence that has come to gay Jamaicans at the hands of anti-gay bigots. When your nation and its citizens choose to abandon their homophobic barbarism then I’ll gladly take down this image.

Until then, you have a choice to make. Do you wish to continue in your bigotry and become all indignant when it is pointed out to you, or do you wish to change your country? You can decide how to expend your energy.

January 22nd, 2009 | LINK

listen up you do-do head our country is great so stop speaking rubbish about it.suppose we put a bloodstain on your countrys flag how would you feel?

January 22nd, 2009 | LINK

listen,im not only Jamaican im chinese as well!hmpf!

January 22nd, 2009 | LINK

I understand your concern but you have to believe me as a citizen that it is not true that we rebel against all gay people.
we act in this way because we want to set an example for the children.tthe majority of jamaican citizens are christians and we do not believe in homosexuality.
its because of the RUMOURS people spread and because they stretch the truth that make people think we are like that.
im not saying we dont have problems, but like i said before, each country has its share of violence, but, each country has its share of beauty, love and togetherness which is something jamaica has, ALOT of actually. this is coming from a REAL Jamaican

January 22nd, 2009 | LINK


Timothy Kincaid
January 22nd, 2009 | LINK

Yes, dominique,

the majority of Jamaicans are of that brand of Christianity that believes that murder, mob attacks, and violence against gay men and women are justified because of setting examples for children.

Because you are Jamaican, you may well decide to believe that your country is no more violent towards gays than other countries. But you are either misinformed or choose to ignore what is before you. Your politicians, your police, and your pastors all condemn the gay victims but say little about the murderers and mob villians.

That’s why Time Magazine designated Jamaica as the most homophobic place on earth. And that is why the above graphic of your flag has a bloodstain.

January 22nd, 2009 | LINK

that was rude and be quiet

March 23rd, 2009 | LINK

its out of order what your saying, as england its self once had problems with gays. and that some places in the world that do not tolerate gays and any type of homosexual. so just putting a ‘blood stain’ on our flag is uncalled for as its hypocriticle to choose jus the jamaican flag. it might just be your preference to do that, but i bet realy you have done it because of your obsession with gays your self. watch out for when YOUr flag or the england one comes up on the net with blood stains. and bullet shots on it. dont forget it was this country england that STOLE all the diamonds from africa to put on the queens crown. if jamaicans have a bad problems with gays like you say, then go down there and do some thing. dont just post your silly image. COWARD.

bandolero jamrock
May 11th, 2009 | LINK

Ok, I’m gonna put my two pence worth into this stupid argument.

1.It’s only an image so it’s pretty pointless getting so worked up about it. Yes, as someone of Jamaican heritage, I can see how people may find it difficult to deal with but I’m afraid Timothy has a valid point regarding the incidence of homophobia in Jamaica.

2.Timothy, it is a shame you seem intent on generalising about the entire population of a country. Surely, this kind of sweeping statement about a group of people (Jamiacans) is exactly the kind of thing gay and civil rights campaigners have been fighting against for years. As a liberal, non-religious person, I have nothing against gay, straight, black or white people but if you want to change people’s ingrained views, you could do better than antagonising and generalising about an entire population. Religion has played a huge part in mis-educating and corrupting peoples minds, not just in Jamaica but all over the world. Funnily enough, one of Jamaica’s best loved comedians, Oliver Samuels, has been known to be gay for years but no one bats an eyelid in Jamaica so this beautiful island isn’t quite the hotbed of homophobia you make it out to be.

The image is a clumsy attempt to make a valid point. If you want to try and educate Jamaicans that being gay isn’t a sin, maybe you could try to reason with people rather than try to offend and tar the whole island with the same brush.

May 18th, 2009 | LINK

I am on the same side as domonique. I’m jamaican, and definatly prooud to be one. But, i’m not going to deny that there is violence, drugs, and gangs there but it is like that everywhere, not just in jamaica.

damn u
June 14th, 2009 | LINK

what the **** is with the blood stain u bastard??? my friend’s from jamaica and i won’t tolerate ur sh*t, so remove it!

December 17th, 2009 | LINK

I say: “Keep the bloodstain.” At least until Jamaica decriminalizes male homosexuality and enacts some basic civil rights protections for LGBT people.

That might be a few decades off.

Jamaica deserves criticism for its anti LGBT policies.

Tourists need to be warned about traveling to Jamaica . . .

February 14th, 2010 | LINK

What is wrong with you!!!!!! I’m from Jamaica and that really the wrong impression. Do you know how offending that is to me and anyone else who has some part of jamaican heritage! My godness you are on sick person!

Timothy Kincaid
February 14th, 2010 | LINK


You are offended by a symbol. You think that I am “sick” for not honoring a pattern of colors.

But you have expressed absolutely no concern about those whom your culture mistreats, beats, and kills. It is not me, but you and your priorities that are sick.

March 30th, 2010 | LINK

not nice about the blood

Diana Zmartz
May 26th, 2011 | LINK

Most of us in jamaica are cristians so we do not belive in homosexuality plus its there fault you gays think its natural well its not in MY JAMAICAN CRISTIAN CHURCH the pastor said same sex marrige is same sex moccary. so i dont blame my fellow jamaicans even if it is wrong to spill blood what so ever it is becoming very modern. Also if they choose to be gay they are NO LONGER CRISTIANS so they should get there passport in check because jamaica is full of cristians. I dont even care if its a hate crime thats what i think gay are idiots. ive always wondered how they staeted such a SINFULL matter FUCK YOU GAYS.

Diana Zmartz
May 26th, 2011 | LINK

Sorry I just needed to let all that out
P.S. your friend is a QUIRE i dont care if thats spelt know what I mean.

Timothy Kincaid
May 27th, 2011 | LINK


Althought you felt compelled to let a hateful bigoted rant out, please know that it did you no favors. You only confirmed what we all know: that Jamaica is full of superstitious evil people who are a danger to anyone who is around them. I find it amusing that Jamaicans would think that showing their hate and their animosity would make anyone think better of them.

Even more odd is the idea that calling yourself a christian somehow makes your nastiness and hatefulness better. All it does is make people think, “well, if Diana is a Christian, then Christians must be truly be a vile dreadful nasty bunch of people. What an awful religion.”

Fortunately, there are many many Christian people in the United States who don’t think that anti-gay violence is of God. In fact, they believe that all hatred and violence are evil.

So I think that I’ll just avoid Jamaica with its blood stained flag and mean, nasty, evil people like you, Diana. I think I’ll remind my friends that going on vacation in Jamaica is foolish and dangerous and that their money is better spent on friendlier (and prettier) islands.

akeino anthony
November 25th, 2012 | LINK

i see black ppl still being treated badly around the states and other european countries and nobody address that, but yur here blogging bout our country, boy go hide somewhere…aand mind ya business

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