Box Turtle Bulletin

Box Turtle BulletinNews, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric
“Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife…”
This article can be found at:
Latest Posts

Political Party Condescends to Gays

This commentary reflects the opinions of the author, and is not necessarily those of the other contributors of Box Turtle Bulletin.

Timothy Kincaid

February 8th, 2008

A lawsuit has revealed some rather discouraging details about the relationship between the Republican Party and the gay community. The Peter Pace controversy highlights the ways in which the Party was condescending and dismissive of gay Americans.

In March 2007, Major General Peter Pace, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was asked about the continued relevance of the anti-gay Don’t Ask – Don’t Tell policy which discriminates against gay service members.

“I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts,” Gen Pace told the Chicago Tribune.

“As an individual, I would not want [acceptance of gay behavior] to be our policy, just like I would not want it to be our policy that if we were to find out that so-and-so was sleeping with somebody else’s wife, that we would just look the other way, which we do not. We prosecute that kind of immoral behavior,” he said.

This sort of statement was met with shock. Some, such as Carl Levin the ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee issued a strong rebuke:

“I strongly disagree with the chairman’s views that homosexuality is immoral.”

However, this was not the universal response. Both leading presidential candidates for the Republican nomination were less forceful, one ignored questions while the other said that it was up to “others to conclude” whether homosexuality is immoral. Both positions were later repackaged – as a result of public outrage – but the initial response was a total lack of concern.

This dismissal of the blatant insult was also shared at the Party level.

A series of emails released as part of a lawsuit, and analyzed by the Washington Blade, demonstrates a willingness to condescend to gay constituents. The Republican Party sought the weakest response possible and contemplated releasing the response solely to the gay press while seeking to keep it quiet from the mainstream press. They didn’t want to offend their religious voters by suggesting that gay people might not be inherently immoral.


It was not the Republican Party that was condescending. It was the Democratic Party.

The ranking member of the Armed Services Committee that condemned Pace’s statements was Republican John Warner from Virginia.

The Presidential candidate who ignored the question was Barack Obama. The one who said it was up to others to conclude whether homosexuality was immoral was Hillary Clinton.

And it was the Democrat Party that sought a weak response provided solely to gay press.

As the Blade reports

LaVera e-mailed Karen Finney, DNC’s director of communications: “Brian [Bond] is concerned that we might take hits if we don’t comment on it — not so much on the merits of the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ but on Pace’s language about immorality, etc. Personally, I’m concerned that we’ll create too many problems if [DNC Chair Howard] Dean condemns the sitting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs during a time of war. I think it’s better to do a statement from a DNC spokesperson saying Pace’s rhetoric isn’t constructive.”

In the protracted e-mail exchange obtained by the Blade, LaVera and Daughtry advocate for sending a statement only to reporters working for gay press and keeping any mention of it off the DNC web site. They also oppose sending the statement to mainstream news wires. That way, the DNC can have it both ways — placating the gays with a toothless statement while ensuring that any faintly pro-gay statements don’t gain traction or visibility in mainstream media. The DNC leadership wouldn’t want to go out on a limb and actually stand up for the dignity of gay service members who had just been called “immoral,” because that might offend one of those religious voters that Dean and Daughtry are so desperate to please.

Please don’t misunderstand me. I am not trying to suggest that the Republican Party as a whole is better on gay issues than the Democratic Party. That is clearly not the case.

However, I believe that we have, as a community, been willing to accept crumbs and scraps while paying for tenderloin. The gay community has been disproportionately generous with our money, our time, and our loyalty. And we receive so little in return. We would have seen the actions above if taken by Republicans as evidence of animus while we make excuses for Democrats who talk nicey-nice to our faces while treating us like the ugly red-headed stepchild of which they are ashamed.

I recognize the importance of political pragmatism. We gain nothing by supporting fringe candidates or by ignoring that some progress is better than none.

But I think that it is time for us to be upfront. It is time for us to tell our candidates, “I may be voting for you, but you stink on my issues.” It’s time to stop pretending that second-class is worthy of praise. We need to tell candidates, be they Republican or Democrat, that anything less than equality is discrimination, condescension, and morally bankrupt.

It’s now time for candidates of all stripes to come to realize that partial bigotry is bigotry, that partial inequality is inequality. They may get our vote, but they do not deserve our respect.



February 8th, 2008 | LINK

“It’s time to stop pretending that second-class is worthy of praise.”

For a little perspective, maybe TK could give us a synopsis of the McCain/Huckabee/RNC positions on this question. I wouldn’t settle for riding second class either, but it sure beats being dragged behind the bus on a rope.

February 8th, 2008 | LINK

You know what Mr. Kincaid, I and other Democrats would believe that you were truly concerned and acting with jounalistic integrity if you didn’t cleverly slip in the word play of right wing nuts.

You know good and damned well that it is the DemocratIC Party but you continue to call it the Democrat Party with the smuggness of Tom Delay.

In so doing you come off as a concern troll rather than a thoughtful journalist.

Is it really worth having your wise words dismissed just because you can’t resist shooting one across the Democrats bow?

Timothy Kincaid
February 9th, 2008 | LINK


Duly noted and changed.

Ben in Oakland
February 9th, 2008 | LINK

Neither party is particularly worthy of respect. they are both responsible for the mess this country is in–the repubs moreso than the dems, and wrose for our people. Whether repub stupidity and hatefulness, or democrat stupidity and timidity, the constitution is slowly being dismantled, we are sinking into a pool of debt that will drown us, our credbility around the world is plummeting.

but cheer up. the guv’mint is gonna send us all $600 (that it doesn’t have) to shore up the economy (which it won’t) by giving $50 billion to corporations. and the queers won’t be able to marry, which solves all problems.

Very pathetic. i’m glad my husband’s german, because I will be getting an EU passport in the next year or two.

February 9th, 2008 | LINK

Thank you Mr. Kincaid. I think the valuable information you provided will be taken more seriously now. Now that the distraction has been removed I’ll be the first to say that the expose made my blood boil!

All I can say at this point is it’s clear that gay Democrats, Like Log Cabin Republicans, have a lot of work to do in order to change our party from the inside. I do think however, that a gay person would have to be a fool to think that the best way to punish Democrats for their gay policy/outreach/support shortcomings is to support a political party that: seated Scalia, Thomas and Alito on the Supreme Court; has made gays and their families enemy one through hateful and hurtful rhetoric purely for political purposes; sponsors, supports and finances anti-gay marriage amendments at the state and federal levels; supports continuing DADT; is against gay inclusive hate crimes legislation; is against ENDA; and who pander incessantly to their far-right, anti-gay, Christian fundamentalist base.

It may be the lesser of two evils but, in my opinion, the Democratic Party is a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH lesser evil.

February 10th, 2008 | LINK

Just what is wrong with Messrs. Scalia, Thomas, and Alito?

February 11th, 2008 | LINK

If you think gays have it bad, you might feel a little better remembering that trans people have it much worse. Obama ignored one question on gays, but rarely does any government official even acknowledge the existence of trans people.

On the bright side, repeating history shows that when people become aware of bigotry, that bigotry will lessen over time and eventually. The only issue is ‘how long.’

Leave A Comment

All comments reflect the opinions of commenters only. They are not necessarily those of anyone associated with Box Turtle Bulletin. Comments are subject to our Comments Policy.

(Required, never shared)

PLEASE NOTE: All comments are subject to our Comments Policy.