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  1. Jason D
    August 20, 2008

    thanks for keeping up with this area. It’s nice to see that if we want to paint an entire class of people as monsters, there are no shortage of heterosexual examples.

    I personally don’t have a problem with straight people, in fact some of my best friends are heterosexuals. I just don’t approve of The Heterosexual Lifestyle — I mean, just look at this, “sex slaves”!?!?

  2. GaySolomon
    August 20, 2008

    I would also like to note that heterosexuals are diseased.

    Just look at how heterosexuals have spread HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa. If we can ban harmful activities like smoking, then why can’t we also ban all heterosexual activity – the root cause of HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa?

    Additionally, the vast majority of all child abondonment and abuse cases are caused by heterosexuals. We need to protect the children from these people. They are not only diseased but they are also depraved!

  3. Ben in Oakland
    August 20, 2008

    As far as I can tell, they’re also going to be the ones to do the polygamy thing they are so afraid of once gay marriage is a reality. I don’t think it will be a gay thing. what man would want to come home and have TWO (or more) angry husbands yelling at him, and then have to do makeup sex with both. no thanks.

    All the examples of polygamy that i can think of are hetero in nature. mormons. Biblical characters. muslims. straight guy’s fantasies.

    Why are they always blaming us for THEIR misbehavior, real, planned, or fantasized?

  4. Timothy Kincaid
    August 20, 2008

    Ben, good point.

    If we can recognize a marriage between one man and one woman, why can we say no to one man and three women, or one fifty year old man and a thirteen year old girl whose father has given her to him? It’s a slippery slope.

  5. Ben in Oakland
    August 20, 2008

    I just wrote this last night:

    “In your own confused way, you seem to be advocating that the only thing preventing polygamy is the rejection of gay marriage. So who is it that wants the polygamy–gay people or straight people. What I do know is that there are heterosexual polyamorists, and they are far more common than gay ones. but no one is insisting that they represent heterosexual society. Your Freudian slips are showing.

    “In short, whether gay marriage exists or not, we don’t allow those kinds of marriages, and there is no serious push to create them. Except in Utah, where the new-age Mormons heartily condemn the polygamist Mormons, yet don’t seem to do too much about it. And, oh yes, except for those nice Muslim people who think polygamy is ok and that gay people are bad, just like the many anti-gay posters here.

    “Moreover, there is absolutely no push for gay/lesbian polygamy. It has strictly been defined as the union of two men or two women– two persons, if you will– who are capable of singing a legal contract regulated by the state. So, rather than being a door into polygamy, it is in fact an affirmation that marriage is between two people, and a negation of polygamy.

  6. Jason D
    August 20, 2008

    also, this sort of “straight” sexuality can lead to all sorts of things.

    After all, if it’s okay for a man to marry a woman…..does a female goat count as a woman?

    Also, If marriage is between a woman and a man, does a male infant count as a man? Abe Lincoln is no doubt male, can a woman marry Abe Lincoln (even though he’s dead)? I’ve nicknamed my phone “Robert”, does my phone count as a man? Can a woman marry my phone??

    Slippery slopes sometimes start where you least expect them!

  7. cowboy
    August 20, 2008

    Ben,

    You said: “[Mormons] …don’t seem to do too much about it (Polygamy).

    What do you expect? They should go raid their compounds and hamlets? And for what? The Fundies don’t have a recognized marriage anyone can “prove”. All marriages were done in secret in their Fundamentalist Temples. Many gays have been getting “married” all the time but never given official sanction by the State until recently. Polygamists did the same thing in the legal sense.

    Why would the Main-stream Mormons be expected to do anything? It’s not their problem. It’s a civil matter and the only way to prosecute is to find examples of welfare fraud or child abuse. Most brides deny they are married; at least in the civil/legal sense.

    Plus, if you remember, early this year we saw how successful the Texans were in prosecuting the Fundamentalists there…it was a horrendous ordeal for everyone involved.

    However, I personally know there are factions of Mormons who pine for the day polygamy is reinstated. Maybe that’s why the subtle difference in the Utah’s Constitution states about marriage. It’s not about one man and one woman…it states marriage is between a man and a woman. (wiggle eyebrows) See the difference.

    And then, you have me visualizing coming home to two (or more) husbands. I need to find something wrong with it. I’m really r e a l l y trying. (wink wink)

  8. Jason D
    August 20, 2008

    “Maybe that’s why the subtle difference in the Utah’s Constitution states about marriage. It’s not about one man and one woman…it states marriage is between a man and a woman. (wiggle eyebrows) See the difference.”

    Well, see the whole “one man one woman” thing doesn’t interfere with polygamy, which is generally defined as being married to more than one person at a time. IE, one man having seven marriages to seven brides. Each marriage only has one man and one woman. It’s just that the same man is involved in all seven marriages taking place at the same time. Most people make the mistake of thinking polygamy is a group marriage, which it can be, but the common form is one man getting married to each wife separately.

    Unless they have something that says that each person can only have one marriage at a time, I smell a Loophole!

  9. Ben in Oakland
    August 21, 2008

    That’s my point, cowboy. they don’t really care aobut polygamy, yet the gay marriage leads to polygamy argument is brought up all the time. all of the polygamists i have ever heard of are hetero.

    And coming home to two husbands may sound hot, but as you may know, marriage is not a non-stop orgy.

  10. Rob
    August 21, 2008

    Spot on Ben. And I for one would not want to be coming home to whining in stereo. ;-)

  11. Jason D
    August 21, 2008

    Rob, Ben,
    I’ve been with my partner over two years, and we don’t come home to whining…please don’t tell me I should expect that to start happening! LOL

  12. Rob
    August 21, 2008

    Just some days Jason. And I’m sure he says the same thing about me.

  13. cowboy
    August 21, 2008

    Okay, I’ll admit polygamy (in whatever form) is not my cup of Postum**. I have had some experience in what a good meaningful relationship entails. I will readily admit the needle on my jealously meter would probably enter the danger/red zone if I knew some hubby/partner-for-life of mine was sharing his special talents with someone else.

    Can you imagine when buying Christmas/Hanukkah gifts for more than one hubby? And which In-Laws do you visit on Thanksgiving?

    But, on the other hand, “spooning” would be more like a “sandwich” in bed?

    **Postum (a non-caffeine hot drink for converts to Mormonism who can’t quite give up their java or tea habit.)

  14. Ephilei
    August 28, 2008

    Classic.

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