Oct 15-16 SurveyUSA Poll Shows Not Much Change

Timothy Kincaid

October 17th, 2008

CBS5 has a new SurveyUSA poll out today and it is not much different from the one released on October 6th.

The poll of 615 likely voters released Friday found that 48 percent favored Proposition 8, while 45 percent planned to vote against the measure. Seven percent said they were not yet certain.

The poll has a four percent margin of sampling error.

The last poll found that 47 percent in favor and 42 percent opposed. It is difficult to draw any conclusions from this new poll or to show any shift in the electorate.

As I said on the 6th, I don’t put much trust in the SurveyUSA polling methodology. And in reviewing the breakout, some things seem illogical. For example, voters age 50-64 are more likely to vote “no” than voters 18-34 or 35-49. This seems inconsistent with what socialogists have noted in trends of acceptance.

Additionally, this poll finds Asian-American voters opposing Prop 8 by 48% to 42%, while a recent survey of Asian-American voting intentions found opposition to be 57% to 32%.

However, this poll should inspire us to greater efforts.

Kevin

October 17th, 2008

It doesn’t surprise me that the polling results have changed in the last few weeks. I was sitting in the lobby of my doctor’s office in the heart of the Castro last Tuesday watching numerous homosexuals and members of the Gaystapo prance in and out (channelling Porno Pete here) – just sitting there, relaxing and listening to the radio station piped through the speakers – when I heard one of the more dastardly Yes on 8 ads come on.

The Yes on 8 folks have saturated the airwaves, both radio and television, with their Public Scare Announcements and listening to them, they are effective. How many times can an average non-homosexual listen to “THEY’RE GOING TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN AND ATTACK YOUR CHURCH” until it starts to sink in?

The Yes on 8 people may just win this thing because they have fear, prejudice, divisiveness, and ignorance on their side. To me, that’s a winning strategy in the United States. Look at the last 8 years of Bush.

It should also be noted that when we stop to think about the tactics these people use in the name of religion, I don’t see how any of us can possibly forget what they’ve done or ever come to hold an ounce of respect for them or their brand of religious intolerance.

I say that only because there are some of us who still think we need to treat these people with respect…they deserve none and they’ll get none from me.

Bill Ware

October 18th, 2008

I’ve been around this block before. I was graduated from the USAFA in 1964, the year that the voting rights act was passed. The civil rights act preventing discrimination in public accommodations followed the next year.

Did this prevent churches of the Southern Baptist Convention from having their greeters intercept blacks approaching their churches and redirecting them to the AME church down the block? No it didn’t.

Over thirty years later, just over a decade ago, the Southern Baptist Convention apologized for the prejudice and discrimination they had promoted against blacks, asked their forgiveness and promised to never do so again.

So now too, no matter how the vote on Prop 8 and 102 and 2 come out, churches will be able to preach their prejudices and promote discrimination against members of the GLBT community, that’s a given. The idea that their freedom of religious expression is in jeopardy is just nonsense. They are still free to be as irrational and hateful as before.

When the SBC made its apology to blacks, I wondered how long it might be before they made the same apology for their mistreatment of gays. I’m 66 years old. Not in my lifetime, I’m afraid.

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