Mormon Childhood Neighbor Update

Daniel Gonzales

October 27th, 2008

Earlier in the week I’d posted about mailing a two sentence note to my Mormon neighbor at my childhood home. I have an update for y’all — Yesterday I got word from my mother that her yard sign has come down (we hope it was voluntary and not simply a result of vandalism).


October 27th, 2008

I hope this means what it sounds like. Good for you – sometimes just putting a face to the discrimination makes people realize who they’re really affecting.


October 27th, 2008

That’s cool, Daniel. Thanks for updating us.


October 27th, 2008

She could have taken it down for a variety of reasons. But, I have a good hunch she was afraid of not just vandalism to the sign but vandalism to her property.

utah reader

October 27th, 2008

Hopefully she took it down because she realized you are a decent human being,deserving of full equality and not some sound bite used for an organization’s political gain.

Timothy Kincaid

October 27th, 2008

I caught a conservative radio talkshow last night which had prop 8 supporters calling in to tell their experiences in putting up signs. Most were self-righteous and hateful, but one woman called in to tell her experience.

In 2000 she put up a Yes on 22 sign. This caused strife with her neighbors, several of whom were same-sex couples and one of whom sent her a letter detailing their concerns (she considered it hate mail). Also, because her brother is gay, it caused grief and division within her family. So this year she refused to put up a Yes on 8 sign.

She realized – to her suprise – that championing her religious values at the expense of others was actually going to cost her relationships with the people she was seeking to diminish.

And I think that is what we have to do. We must, as Daniel did, make it personal.

Those who seek to control our destiny must come to know that we will not be shy in our refusal. We will not view their efforts as “a disagreement” and we will not allow them to get a pass for the harm they are doing.


October 27th, 2008

I sincerely hope that she realized what her position really meant, not that she was afraid of vandalism.


October 27th, 2008

Hopefully she didn’t take it down because she was scared of property damage. Why is it the people that say they want tollerance can wreck others property. You say equality for all but what you mean is only people who share your beliefs. what happen to america’s values in california when four activist judges can over rule and take over peoples votes. Now that is messed up when my vote stops counting and then we get property damage because people can’t understand the long term affects of changing the deffinition of marriage.

Timothy Kincaid

October 27th, 2008


Are you accusing the readers of this site of vandalism? That’s pretty bold of you.

Or do you just use the generic “you people” type of reference to diminish and dismiss anyone who does not share your anti-gay zeal? I suspect that this is the case.

It may interest you to know, Amy, that I’ve not defaced anyone’s yardsigns, but I have had a “No on 8” sign taken down and stolen. You weren’t the one who did that, were you Amy?

L. Junius Brutus

October 27th, 2008

‘what happen to america’s values in california when four activist judges can over rule and take over peoples votes. ‘

It’s not like this is a recent occurrence. 60 years ago, four activist judges disenfranchised millions of Californians by striking down the ban on interracial marriage. Look up Perez v. Sharp. Never mind that the people who wrote the California constitution could never dream that someone would read a right to interracial marriage in it. Then, the people of California enacted a ballot initiative that made it legal to discriminate against people who were colored. This was struck down by an activist U.S. Supreme Court. Shame on them, and shame on the current California Supreme Court for following them in that tradition.


October 27th, 2008

Nobody can prevent a lunatic on either side of this issue to do some vandalism. I’m sure there has already been some done by juvenile delinquents…and most will be done in this last week especially as a Halloween prank.

But the real damage has already happened. The trust, the good-neighborly feeling and the continued war as in “us” versus “them” has produced innocent casualties. This has pitted Church members against each other. It has strained relationships in families. It has made neighbors wary of each other.

It has done more damage than a silly prank.

And, Amy, aren’t you a little ashamed at projecting yourself as the victim here. Your rights are not being compromised. Your marriage is not being redefined. You can carry on with your life as if nothing happen on November 5th. But, honestly, do try to tell me how this Proposition 8 is NOT discriminatory? Do tell me how this Proposition will pass the equality test in the United States Supreme Court?

It won’t. That’s why Senator Orrin Hatch (a Mormon) can already read the future, and his focus has been and will always be to make the Federal Marriage Amendment come to fruition. Whatever the outcome next week, the battle may be won/lost but the war is far from over.

Ben in Oakland

October 27th, 2008

Amy– it is messed up when my life and my contributions to society stop counting, also.

I suggest you read the article that I wrote. Box turtle reader writes. you might learn something about who is actually affected if prop. 8 passes.

I assure you, it isn’t you.

I also assure you that no one I know is interested in your lawn signs.

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