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What We’re Up Against

Jim Burroway

November 11th, 2008

Listen here as Michelangelo Signorile talks with Nancy, a Mormon from Texas and a Prop 8 supporter.

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cowboy
November 11th, 2008 | LINK

Mr. Signorile did a great job. He continued to point out the fallacy about majority rules. Not so.

Nancy needs to settle down a bit. She needs to listen to what she was saying. Especially when she tried to cop-out by claiming to be persecuted. Is not YOU, Nancy, that is the victim, but WE are the victims here.

Her right to believe in what her LDS Church preaches shall never trump the civil rights of another.

I wish I could tell you all the conversations I have been having with my Mormon family. I know they have been misled. They relied on faulty information (propaganda may I say). It hurts me to feel how they were pawns in something that was maybe a little political shenanigans and what turns out to have huge consequences.

I know you are angry. I know some need to lash out and vent some frustrations. But look at these people like Nancy with pity. You, my friends, are right. You have the right concept. You know you stand on the right side of this issue. Take away from this episode a distrust on some of your fellow Americans but you can stand tall and be proud of who you are.

Dave
November 11th, 2008 | LINK

I must disagree with Cowboy. Michelangelo Signorile did not do a great job.

Signorile lost me completely when he said that putting rights to a vote is undemocratic. Putting new legal realities to a vote is precisely democratic.

Every right found in our statutes and constitutions was voted on.

Watching this fight between the pro and anti-8 folks is like watching two deaf people disagreeing about a musical performance.

John
November 11th, 2008 | LINK

Dave,

What makes this country different is that the rights of the indivdual were spelled out in our Bill of Rights at the very beginning.

Yes, our founding fathers wanted to create a democracy, but more importantly, they wanted to protect the individual from unreasonable and arbitrary actions of the government (a government decided by a majority vote of the people).

The United States is a representative democracy (not a direct democracy) with 3 branches. Each branch has its own role, as well as being a check on the other two branches.

So, perhaps you took Signorile too literally when he described putting the rights of a minority up for a vote of the majority as undemocratic. Perhaps, he would have been more precise if he had said that it was just un-American.

johnson
November 12th, 2008 | LINK

Make no mistake, everyone, this was a purely Political Move by an unpopular church eager for acceptance by other Christians.

Dave
November 13th, 2008 | LINK

John,

My point was that every legal protection we have in our laws and constitutions is the result of a vote.

Taking Signorile literally or not isn’t the point. The point is he was being silly — which is par for the course.

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