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LaBarbera Award: Rabbi Nachum Shifren

Jim Burroway

December 10th, 2008

We’ve been predicting that somebody, somewhere would compare the peaceful, First Amendment-protected protests against the passage of California’s Proposition 8 to the Nazis and the Holocaust. Well, here it is:

We are dealing with the equivalent of a moral takeover of the country that has as its bedrock a belief in G-d and His promise for humanity. They don’t want civil rights! What they desire is quasi Gay/Lesbian hegemony, where a huge “bookburning,” reminiscent of the Nazis, will purge any remnants of the “Christian, White, mainstream America” that has given ALL AMERICANS the most profound scope of freedom, liberty, and justice that Mankind has yet to experience.

People have perhaps wondered: why the Mormons? Answer: they are a small, yet vocal Christian minority. They have been selected by the mobs as vulnerable, a group that might not have such massive support among America’s Christians.

We who are friends of the Mormons, their patriotism, their family values, will not falter in our continued support of these dear Americans. Let us recall the Christian minister Niemoller, whose admonition during those dark years of Nazi Germany moved us to our core:

“When they came for the gypsies, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a gypsy. When they came for the homosexuals, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a homosexual. When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I said nothing, because I wasn’t a Catholic……then they came for me, and there was no one left to defend me.”

That was penned by Rabbi Nachum Shifren in a piece he titled “We are all Mormons.” Jeremy Hooper was especially puzzled by Rabbi Shifren’s recognition in the last quoted paragraph that gays have, in fact, been persecuted:

But the really interesting thing for us? That Niemöller poem that Rabbi Shifren quotes did not, in its original form, even mention gays, yet here he has made a point of including homosexuals as one of the persecuted groups. Does he not see anything odd about that? Here he is going ballistic about the “immoral” gays and their “licentiousness,” yet he fully admits they have been (/still are) a persecuted minority? It just seems odd.

Very odd indeed. And it’s that strangeness which makes Rabbi Shifren a perfect candidate for the LaBarbera Award.

[Hat tip: Good As You]

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Jaft
December 10th, 2008 | LINK

And this just gets more and more comical as the days go on…

SammySeattle
December 10th, 2008 | LINK

And Rabbi, what did you say when the Mormons came for the homosexuals?

“I’ve got your back.”

Emproph
December 10th, 2008 | LINK

“WE ALL ARE MORMONS!”

Good luck with that Rabbi, because tomorrow you will all be a Christian theocracy – and you won’t have we gays around to blame for that.

Lynn David
December 10th, 2008 | LINK

doofus

don
January 15th, 2009 | LINK

Brillant and brave article! Mormons do not “come for the homosexuals” they are FOR families. When Mormons (or Jews) state their beliefs they should not be condemned; their beliefs stem from the Bible and the natural order of life. (Most species do not mate with their same sex.) Homosexuals may practice acts that are contrary to God’s and nature’s laws, but they are still loved children of God. Marriage has and always will be between a man and a woman. Peace.

Jim Burroway
January 15th, 2009 | LINK

don

There is a double standard in ypur statement. You say when Mormons (or Jews) state their beliefs they should not be condemned.

But what about non-Mormons and non-Jews. When we state our beliefs, why are others free to condemn us without any defense from you?

Sorry, but idiocy doesn’t get a pass just because it’s dressed up in religious beliefs.

Priya Lynn
January 15th, 2009 | LINK

Don said “Most species do not mate with their same sex.) Homosexuals may practice acts that are contrary to God’s and nature’s laws”.

Man created god in his own image. The men who created the christian god were primitive bigots so their “god’s” opinion about gays is irrelevant. Secondly, many, if not most species do mate with the same sex – read Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl.

Don said “Marriage has and always will be between a man and a woman.”.

Not true. Many ancient cultures married same sex couples as did the Catholic church at one time:

http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/gaymarriagerite.html

Don said “Peace.”.

You’re not spreading peace when you promote a message of inequality, you’re spreading hate.

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