Rick Warren’s “Moderation”

Jim Burroway

December 20th, 2008

It’s official, Saddleback Church bans all people “unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle” from church membership. Also, Jews are going to hell. This is the guy Obama wants to pray on behalf of all Americans.


December 20th, 2008

Yes, but they’re magnanimous enough to allow heathens like myself to attend. How gracious of them. No thanks.

Apparently, gay is not only the ‘new Black’ but also the ‘new Jewish.’ Guess I should start referring to myself as being ‘gayish’ from now on.


December 20th, 2008

How does one repent of something that does not exist?

How about if I just repent of unicorns, balanced budgets and compassionate conservatives instead?

A hair more realistic.

William Calhoun

December 21st, 2008

This may be for the best. Consider: I’ve read a lot about Warren, but until now many of his more reprehensible opinions have been ignored/missed/left out. But now this aspect of his work is right out front. And he’s getting heat for it.

If he wants to move more into the mainstream (and gather more power/status/authority) he’s going to be pressured to modify much of his stand. Either that or he’ll see himself going the way of Dobson, Robertson, et.al. I don’t think he’ll want that.

I think we’ll see him either fade away or change. And all because this invitation pushed him, ALL of him, into the light.

Timothy Kincaid

December 21st, 2008

William Calhoun,

Very good point. Until Warren’s most recent comparisons of gay couples to incestuous couple and his clear denunciation of anything even remotely recognizing the rights of gay couples, I had a fairly positive opinion of the man.

But I think you are mistaken if you thing he’s moving into the mainstream. Everything he’s said in the past few months moves him further and further to the extremists.

I guess he just hadn’t been pushed yet to take a public side. Now we see what was behind all the “love”.


December 21st, 2008

I just hope Obama REALLY backs the gay community on this one. The marching band was pathetic, this would just be lacerating.


December 21st, 2008

The marching band was pathetic. What was worse was hearing someone on a forum tell us to shut up about the pick, we already got “an all gay marching band”.

Seriously? So we’re allowed to serve others, now we have inclusion….


December 21st, 2008

As an unrepentant homosexual, I’m officially banned from Pastor Warren’s Saddleback Church? NOOOOOO! Say it ain’t so! Words cannot describe how hurt and devastated I am!

Lynn David

December 21st, 2008

If he thinks he can ban us now from his church membership, just how the hell is it he thinks he’ll have to marry us under California law?

Talk about being disengenuous.


December 21st, 2008

Looks like they took down that page, and redirected to a more general “What We Believe” page. Google still has the cached page at :


December 22nd, 2008

Well, at least “unrepentant” gays are still allowed in the building, right?

Since when did church become a members-only club?

Kel Munger

December 22nd, 2008

Churches have *always* been members-only clubs. They’ll let folks they don’t approve of sit in the pews, but full membership means signing off on all the doctrine, no matter how reprehensible it is.

That’s why churches are *private* organizations. But you’ll never get them to see it.

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