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  1. Richard W. Fitch
    November 17, 2009

    The earth is flat; Galileo was wrong; the landing of the Eagle was a hoax;…

  2. Burr
    November 17, 2009

    Karen Terry, a John Jay researcher, said it was important to distinguish between sexual identity and behavior, and to look at who the offender had access to when seeking victims.

    To me this is a very big frigging DUH! That’s why the homophobic theory doesn’t float for a millisecond. Who the hell else would they have access to besides altar boys? Priests pretty much have no business being around girls in most circumstances.

  3. Ben in Oakland
    November 17, 2009

    Access has ALWAYS been the issue. That’s why Daddy– or Father– have always been the most likely perpetrators.

  4. John
    November 17, 2009

    I must have missed this one. They did a report in 2004 that I’ve had thrown at me as “proof” gays are more prone to molest kids than straights quite a number of times.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report

    Frankly, it was the Vatican’s outrageous reaction to the scandal after their own dealings that made my “lapsed” status permanent – or at least still ongoing 5 years later.

    So this is another report or an amendment of the 2004 report?

  5. Lynn David
    November 18, 2009

    The final report isn’t due out by December 2010. Likely by that time the Catholic Church will get it to say what they want it to say.

    I seem to remember an older report from that period (2004-05) which named ephobophilia as the problem. I think it was the report that gave the RCC the impetus to ban gay men from the priesthood. But I could be wrong.

  6. William
    November 18, 2009

    If having gay clergy were, in itself, the cause of abuse, then those churches which are perfectly happy to have openly gay clergy, and which, furthermore, do not impose the burden of compulsory celibacy on them (e.g. the Protestant Church in the Netherlands) would be putting the Roman Catholic Church into the shade in this respect. They are not.

  7. TerenceWeldon
    November 18, 2009

    There is nothing remarkable in this report – similar reports have been made by independent observers for years. Still, I think this particular report is of major importance, because it was prepared for the bishops themselves.

    Left to themselves, I suspect they will simply ignore it, or even to distort the findings, as Archbishop Thomasi did with a previous report on the same subject by the same John Jay College. We must not allow this.

    The report must be publicly discussed and disseminated, They won’t do it themselves – it is up to us to do it for them

    See http://queeringthechurch.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/fig-leaves-gerasene-swine-and-carpets-bishops-and-clerical-sexual-abuse/

  8. Politicalguineapig
    November 18, 2009

    Duh. Pedophilia is more about power and getting off than anything else. Don’t they have any psychiatrists or psychologists involved in the church that they could’ve consulted?

  9. Ephilei
    November 18, 2009

    “Pedophilia is more about power and getting off than anything else.”

    I don’t believe that is true. Source?

  10. Craig L. Adams
    November 18, 2009

    Ha! They should have given you the 2 million, Jim.

  11. TerenceWeldon
    November 18, 2009

    John:

    The earlier John Jay report did not in fact claim that the perpetrators were gay. That was the spin put on it by the bishops, to the finding that most of the complaints investigated (by the bishops themselves)came from boys. But there were good reasons why girls simply did not bother to report – and note that a significant proportion of the complaints were simply not investigated, especially in some specific dioceses.

    This report is not a new study, but the second stage of the same research, designed s an update. One of the other findings was that “nothing has changed” since the first report. This clearly implies that if gay priests are not to blame now, they were not to blame then – as all independent observers and researchers have always concluded.

    Blaming “homosexuals” by the bishops has always been a smokescreen designed to deflect attention away from the true culprit: the institutional structure and systems of the church itself.

    This is why, as I have argued elsewhere, it is essential that this new report be discussed and disseminated as widely as we can – to blow that smokescreen clear away, forcing them finally to look at those real causes.

  12. Swampfox
    November 18, 2009

    I guess that the Vatican will now stop trying to weed out gays from becoming clergy?

  13. Ben in Oakland
    November 19, 2009

    Nothing will ever force them to look at the real causes. I don’t think the church has much interest in truth, only The Truth, becuase only the latter has monetary and political rewards.

  14. Politicalguineapig
    November 24, 2009

    Okay, I’ve been thinking about it for a bit and here’s what I got.
    Rape is about power and access, and occasionally sexual attraction.
    Pedophilia is the act of raping a child of either gender. So therefore, pedophilia can be understood as a power play with one-sided sexual attraction.

  15. Fg68at
    January 7, 2011

    “won’t be completed until the end of next year”

    This is now. It is completed?

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