Some shady fellas at the Shady Lady

Timothy Kincaid

January 6th, 2010

shadyladyWe told you last month about the Shady Lady Ranch in Beatty, NV. It’s a purveyor of the world’s oldest trade that is seeking to expand business by employing a few good men. Now proprietress Bobbi Davis is going to get her chance.

“I personally feel, as do the many other women who have made contact with me since I started this, that this is a service whose time has come,” Davis said in a letter to Nye County officials.

A county board’s vote Tuesday affirming that Davis could offer “shady men” to her clientele followed months of rancorous debate among the state’s legal brothel community. The industry, in its own peculiar way, is somewhat conservative: Considered an anachronism of bawdy mining camps by some Nevada newcomers, it often balks at change.

None of the locals showed up to object. Perhaps they figured that any employment in this economy was bound to benefit the town.

But that doesn’t mean that no one objected. The complaint came from the man employed to protect the industry.

georgeflint

George Flint, longtime lobbyist for the Nevada Brothel Assn., has said that allowing male prostitutes could be the industry’s Pearl Harbor. He has hinted that brothels possibly offering gay sex — a choice each prostitute, as an independent contractor, would be free to make — might sour some legislators on the entire brothel system.

“This is the first time in the history of the world . . . that men have been licensed to sell sex,” Flint said Tuesday, his voice rising. “It’s never been done!”

Oh, I very much doubt that. And he needn’t worry so much about GAY SEX (eeeeek), as most of her business will probably come from women or couples.

Now that the licenses and approvals are in order, Bobbi is ready to select from the 100 or so applicants. If you rush, you can get your application in before she makes the cut.

wackadoodle

January 6th, 2010

“George Flint, longtime lobbyist for the Nevada Brothel Assn., has said that allowing male prostitutes could be the industry’s Pearl Harbor. He has hinted that brothels possibly offering gay sex — a choice each prostitute, as an independent contractor, would be free to make — might sour some legislators on the entire brothel system.”

We’ve joked about it for years, talking about how the bigots will back any cause as long as it lets them oppress gays. But they’ve followed their ‘family values’ logic to its disturbing conclusion:

THEY’RE DEFENDING THE SANCTITY OF PROSTITUTION!

Holy crap it’s like every joke I’ve made about the bigots over the last decade is coming true.

Burr

January 6th, 2010

This is definitely not the first time, but an appeal to tradition is always a retarded argument.

John

January 6th, 2010

“This is the first time in the history of the world . . . that men have been licensed to sell sex,” Flint said Tuesday, his voice rising. “It’s never been done!”

So what, gay hookers will corrupt the sanctity of…prostitution??? Give me break. Besides that absurdity, Mr. Flint is quite ignorant of history to boot. Temple prostitutes of both sexes were VERY common in the ancient world, which many scholars believe St. Paul’s comments in Romans and Corinthians refer to. Heck, for that matter Google “Molly Houses”, Mr. Flint. I could care less whether there are “shady males” at this place or not because the whole business is disgusting anyways, but the not-so-subtle references to the supposed “Gay Agenda” from a man in charge of an immoral enterprise really is just too much.

Elise

January 6th, 2010

It’s especially weird because Bobbi Davis was quoted saying in the last article that her female prostitutes already have the option of serving male or female clients, so gay prostitution is already a reality in Nevada.

Oh wait, I forgot… lesbians don’t matter. It’s all about the men and–let’s be honest here–the buttsex.

Lynn David

January 6th, 2010

“This is the first time in the history of the world . . . that men have been licensed to sell sex,” Flint said Tuesday, his voice rising. “It’s never been done!”

I thought Rome licensed prostitutes (licentia stupri)? And there were male prostitutes at Pompeii. Perhaps Flint needs to go back to school.

Désirée

January 7th, 2010

why is anyone referring to this as immoral? This is America – we are allowed to have sex; we are allowed to sell things; so why aren’t we allowed to sell sex? Makes no sense to me. How, when, why and for what cost anyone has sex isn’t a moral issue. It might be an ethical issue but not a moral one.

Leo

January 7th, 2010

Flint’s remark is completely disingenuous. The idea of licensing prostitution is comparatively new.

But men/boys have been working in oldest profession through out history. And not just in exotic foreign locales. In 19th century NYC teenage boys could be found in many “pansy bars” that often doubled as brothels like the Slide on Bleeker Street. There was at least one brothel on west 4th St. that offered nothing but male companionship.

If it’s legal for the ladies it’s should be legal the gents.

And I suspect your right, most of the business for these men probably will come from swinger/experimenting het couples not gay men.

grantdale

January 7th, 2010

Why would a lobbyist for a brothel association look like he has needed to pay for sex since before Classical Rome started taxing male whores?

Guess I answered my own question. And his.

Jarred

January 7th, 2010

So wait, is Mr. Flint really suggesting that people who support legal prostitution are suddenly going to quit supporting it simply because it’s legal for men to get in on the act, and possibly even service other men? I suppose it’s possible. But I’m having trouble considering it remotely plausible.

If people are supporting legal prostitution, it’s pretty clear that they have pretty liberal attitudes about sex. They don’t see it as something super-special that absolutely must only be shared between two people who absolutely love each other and want to be together forever. They’re okay with people who want to sell sexual experiences as a commodity.

To be blunt, this is not the profile I think of when I think of people who are gong to get their panties in a twist over two men (as Elise noted, it’s always about the men, not the lesbians) having sex. Even if they have sex for money.

Jarred

January 7th, 2010

Désirée:

Actually, I do think there are moral considerations about prostitution. There’s a difference between an independent contractor freely choosing to work at the Shady Lady and a prostitute who has been tricked into the profession and somehow coerced into remaining in it. There are also other issues with regards safety and exploitation. So while there may be nothing inherently immoral with having sex for money, there are a number of important peripheral concerns. Of course, legalizing prostitution and ensuring that licensed brothels maintain good standards while going after those individuals who do exploit and otherwise harm their prostitutes is a good way to address those peripheral issues.

I think part of the issue, though, is that most of us have a hard time imagining getting paid to have sex, or why anyone would want to have sex. We tend to see it as a matter of cheapening ourselves and our sexual experiences, and it’s hard to see any other perspective.

wackadoodle

January 7th, 2010

“why is anyone referring to this as immoral? This is America – we are allowed to have sex; we are allowed to sell things; so why aren’t we allowed to sell sex? Makes no sense to me. How, when, why and for what cost anyone has sex isn’t a moral issue. It might be an ethical issue but not a moral one.”

It’s completely illegal in most states to pay someone to have sex with you. UNLESS you set up a camera, tape it and sell copies. Then its perfectly legal.

Another one of America’s oh-so logical laws, makes as much sense as the ones banning pot or gays in the military.

Priya Lynn

January 7th, 2010

Desiree said “It might be an ethical issue but not a moral one.”.

Ethics and morals are one in the same to me. Seems to me once someone tried to explain the difference here, but all the hair splitting was completely lost on me.

Jarred

January 7th, 2010

The difference between “ethics” and “morals”? The first word is of Greek origin and the second one is of Latin origin. The philosophers that originally used them made it clear that the two words were dealing with the same concept.

There have been attempts to make a distinction between the two today, but I’ve never found any such attempts compelling. Heck, most dictionaries even tend to use the two words in each others’ definitions.

Joaquin Arroyo

January 7th, 2010

This man is obviously ignorant. There was male prostitution in the Middle East, Greece and Rome, sometimes in temples dedicated to the goddesses of love and fertility, often in commercial brothels. There was male prostitution in China: it horrified Father Matteo Ricci, who observed it in Peking in the 16th century. There were male brothels in London in the 19th century, and even in New York, as another comment rightly points out.

Johnson

January 7th, 2010

Uh, I don’t think I’ll be driving out to the middle of nowhere to do some guy in a trailer anytime soon. How ’bout the rest of you?

Jarred

January 7th, 2010

Johnson: I won’t, but someone might. You never know. Different strokes for different folks.

Ben in Oakland

January 7th, 2010

Male prostitution is quite legal in several of our european neighbors. It even used to be legal in Indonesia, though i’m not sure that is the case any more.

Nevada Blue

January 8th, 2010

Heidi Fleiss tried to do this a few years ago, and it would have been strictly for hetero sex, or so she said. I imagine she probably included couples in the concept of hetero though. Though she had legal and financial troubles from the get go, I believe it ultimately fell through because they felt there would not be enough money to be made from hetero women. That may have been true back then, though I think a lot more women would be willing to pay for sex now. But I think there will be more a demand for homosexual sex than people might assume.

Many of the peripheral ethical issues of prostitution are resolved by legalization and oversight of the industry. The same can be said of many things, like marijuana. There is nothing unethical about imbibing in marijuana, but buying it from the black market…? That promotes all sorts of unethical circumstances. I have a friend who is a priest and he has worked with prostitutes and other members of the “downtrodden,” in Nevada and all over the world. His peers were none too pleased when during a speech at a national convention he refused to talk about the sins and folly of legalized prostitution. He explained that having worked with legal and illegal prostitutes, there was no way he could pretend that making it illegal in NV would do anything but harm.

I believe in legal prostitution. I don’t see anything wrong with it, and I see how it can benefit society. I’ve spoken with many prostitutes; some of who do not want to deal with the inconveniences of legalization (yes, NV has plenty of illegal prostitutes too), and none of their experiences ever made me change my opinion. In fact, they’ve only reinforced it.

Bigjoe

January 22nd, 2010

Well, here in Brazil, male prostitution isn’t exacly legalized, but, like any prostitution, it isn’t illegal. The only reference to prostitution in the law is that you cannot “favor” prostitution, meaning, no pimps.

It’s a private matter, and if you meet somebody (of either sex) on the street or anyplace else (especially saunas for men only) and you decide to go someplace to have sex, you do. That’s it. And if one of these consenting adults pays the other consenting adult, that is of no interest to the law, the police, the government, etc. In this sense, all prostitution is legal, no sweat. But don’t mess with minors because you might spend some years in jail.

BigJoe

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