Details of CNN’s Interview with “Lucien” Leaked

Jim Burroway

May 7th, 2010

Details of CNN’s exclusive interview with Jo-Vanni Roman (a.k.a. “Lucien”), the Miami escort who accompanied anti-gay activist George Rekers on a ten-day trip to Europe, appeared briefly on the AC360 blog briefly, but it now appears to have been pulled. We don’t know if it’s because they didn’t want to give too much away ahead of time, or if other news stories (the Nashville floods, the oil spill in the gulf, financial problems in Greece, British elections) threaten to push this story off to another day. At any rate, we were able to capture some of what you can expect to see, assuming the story airs tonight:

Here’s the background. “Lucien” says Rekers hired him by answering his ad on the website, He says Rekers would have been exposed to all kinds of naked men in compromising sexual positions on the website before getting through to the ads for male companions.

“Lucien” showed me the contract he signed with Rekers. It does show he was hired to carry Rekers luggage because he needed help with that, but #3 in the contract terms spells out that Lucien “will provide George Rekers a massage for at least one hour each day of the trip in their shared rooms using the same procedures (“Lucien”) provided to George Rekers in Florida.” “Lucien” told me he had given Rekers two “sexual massages” in Florida at hotels before they even left for Europe and that Rekers had requested the massages be “sexual.” “Lucien” says he gave Rekers what he called the “long stroke” which included touching his genitals. He said the massages took place in their shared rooms in both London and Madrid. For his services, “Lucien” was paid $75 a day plus the cost of his air travel.

In a statement, George Rekers said “I hired him as a companion and to help with luggage, and that I did not hire him as a prostitute for any sexual purpose.” In a separate statement, Rekers said, “Professor George Rekers requires an assistant to lift his luggage in his travels because of an ongoing condition following surgery… Dr. Rekers found his recent travel assistant by interviewing acquaintances. There was nothing inappropriate with this relationship. Professor Rekers was not involved in any illegal or sexual behavior with his travel assistant.”

Lucien wasn’t paid for our interview and says he has turned down payments from other organizations for his story. He isn’t looking to make money on this. He says Rekers became sort of a “father figure” to him and he feels sorry for him. He told me George Rekers has asked him repeatedly not to talk to the media and not to tell anyone about his “sexual massages” but “Lucien” is talking because he wants people, especially in Florida, “to know who Rekers really is.”

CNN also got a comment from Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, whose office paid Rekers $120,000 to serve as an expert witness in the state’s defense of Florida’s adoption ban for gay couples:

McCollum’s office told us Rekers came to their attention “by recommendation from another academic after an exhaustive search” and that Rekers “had exceptional credentials and he had provided testimony in similar cases on two separate occasions, one of which was a Florida case in Federal Court.” The statement goes on: “The contract was executed at the direction of the Department of Children and Families, and the ACLU did not object to his position as an expert at the hearing. He has completed his testimony and is no longer involved in this case.”

AC360° airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern and 7:00 p.m. Pacific


May 7th, 2010

Manna from heaven. I’m so grateful this kid exists and seems so smart and classy. The more coverage this gets, the more the institutional scaffolding of bigotry crumbles.

Melanie Nathan

May 7th, 2010 Good job getting the piece for the cooper interview. Wayne from TWO was also interviewed for tonight. I am sure they will go with the story…mel


May 7th, 2010

Could AC360 be backing off on their exclusive because Lucien apparently referred to Anderson Cooper as “the gay reporter on TV?”.

I respect Cooper’s decision to keep his private life private, but it is ironic for his show to interview someone for the purpose of exposing another person’s private life. I know, I know. It’s about the hypocrisy, but it still seems duplicitous of Cooper (‘I’ll publicize others’ lives, but don’t talk about mine.’).

Any ways, it will be interesting to see how AC360 edits Lucien’s interview. Too bad it’s not live.

Lindoro Almaviva

May 7th, 2010

You know? We also need to understand that what this kid is doing is not only courageous but dangerous as well. he will forever be known as the rent boy, this will follow him everywhere he goes, to any job and anything he does.

Not only that, but this could potentially alienate him from his family and friends. Sex workers, both straight and gay, are at the bottom of the respect pole. We live in a society where it is OK to be gay, trans, by and many other things (mostly), but being a sex worker is still the bottom of the bottom and sex workers are still seen as less than addicts; people who can not control their impulses and are always willing to give it to anyone.

Yes, it is great that he is exposing the hypocrisy of this guy, but what are we doing to make sure he comes out of this mess stronger and not carrying any scars?


May 7th, 2010

Wow, a state agency paid this guy $120,000 (!!!) to testify at a trial on gay adoption?! If that’s true, that doesn’t seem right. Paying someone to testify on your behalf…and accepting such an outrageous payoff to do “the Lord’s work?”

1) Florida’s attorney general ought to be impeached. Blowing the state’s money on utter bullshit testimony for a hate trial is a pretty poor way to conduct the business of the gov’t in a wounded economy (or at any other time).

2) I’ve heard of “gay for pay,” but I’m surprised that we don’t hear “ex-gay for pay” as often…


May 8th, 2010

Rekers is getting scarier the more I know of him. He is the go-to-man in the following website about teen sex
So if teens have any questions, they can ask good ol’ Dr. George.

“I’ve spent many years counseling teenagers about their questions about sex.” Scary scary scary.

Dr. Reker’s home page refers to stories about himself as “misleading” “innuendo” “false impressions” “incorrectly implying…” and “slanderous” all in the first three lines. Talk about going overboard.

L. Junius Brutus

May 8th, 2010

$75 per DAY? While I wouldn’t know what kind of prices rentboys normally charge, this does strikes mas rather low – especially considering the fact that his client was a scary old creep.


May 8th, 2010


That is what I thought.

Why is Florida, or any State, interested in finding the Truth ultimately wanting the best outcome for children, paying or needing to pay $120,000 for “testimony”?


Shows the lengths that Homophobes will go to in order to opress US Citizens who have jumped all of the hurdles in order to care for homeless children.

THIS is the story that is not being told: What should Florida do NOW in light of this crap-for-testimony?

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