19 responses

  1. Aaron
    August 11, 2010

    Indeed, may God bless our muslim brothers.

  2. Aaron
    August 11, 2010

    and sisters.

    Forgive me, internalized sexism, I’m sure. :/

  3. TampaZeke
    August 11, 2010

    Salaam.

  4. Mark F.
    August 11, 2010

    Why do you hate America? ;-)

  5. Emily K
    August 11, 2010

    Ramadan Kareem

    I wished my Muslim pen-pal this greeting earlier tonight

  6. Jim Burroway
    August 11, 2010

    To my Muslim co-workers, Salaam.

  7. Pintick
    August 11, 2010

    There’s few things more disgusting to me than a gay person being cozy toward Islam. Stockholm syndrome, perhaps? Or maybe it’s a very stark black-and-white mentality that leads you toward being friendly toward anyone who hates Republicans, regardless of how many gay people they kill.

    The penalty for being gay in Saudi Arabia and Iran is DEATH. They already have a “Kill the gays bill”. Is that law contrary to Islam, or is it in perfect compliance with it?

  8. anteros
    August 11, 2010

    Pintick, do you honestly believe that all muslims and all ugandans hate gay people? are you denying the existence of gay muslims and gay ugandans? wouldn’t such a denial put you in the same camp as those bigots who claim that gay muslims or gay ugandans never existed and that such people should be killed to maintain cultural purity and prevent western influence from corrupting mainstream muslim and mainstream ugandan cultures? is it really “us” versus “them”? are you encouraging people to choose between their religion/culture/patriotism and sexual orientation? isnt that how we end up with extreme gay haters like george rekers? why would a gay saudi arabian consider leaving his home country to seek asylum in a country where he would have to hide both his religion (read “deen” – way of life) and his nationality as opposed to hiding only his sexual orientation in his home country? well, he might still want to hide his sexual orientation in asylum, considering the rejection he would probably stand to endure in some mainstream gay circles if he did come out. sure, the death penalty is worth escaping, but can you imagine the kind of sacrifices imposed on such people by having to deal with homophobia in their home country and islamophobia / xenophobia / racism in the west?

    i really wish you would meet a gay imam or a gay ugandan.

    say no to hate. it’s poison.

    i need to take my own advice because i got no love for christianity… i don’t hate christians and i don’t hate christianity (and no, i don’t “love the religious person but hate the religion”)… but i hate being preached to like a lost sinner and i hate it when some christians wanna force everybody to live according to their christian principles by meddling with the law and denying people their civil rights.

    every year, most of us wish each other (christians and non-christians) a merry christmas, even though we gotta deal with virulent elements of anti-gay christianity… i think it makes perfect sense to wish everybody (muslims and non-muslims) a happy ramadan.

    Happy Ramadan!

  9. grantdale
    August 12, 2010

    Yep, we’re a day ahead of you. Here’s to feeling light-headed all day, and gathering together with family and friends for a big blowout at night :)

    Pintick, you’re a pin-head. The penalty for homosexuality in Indonesia — the World’s largest Muslin population — is… a big fat nothing.

    Sheesh, it’s starting all over again.

  10. AdrianT
    August 12, 2010

    Spare a thought for people in Palestine and across the middle east who have no choice but to give up alcohol, cigarettes, dancing etc.

    By decree, Dubai has stopped all music during ramadan. in palestine, people seen drinking or smoking get beaten up by police:

    http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/dubais-nightclubs-silenced-as-ramadan-approaches-20100811-11yyn.html

  11. Ben Mathis
    August 12, 2010

    Just as religious leaders in the US have perverted Christianity to things Jesus wouldn’t have recognized, so do power hungry religious leaders in the middle east pervert Islam.

  12. Norm!
    August 12, 2010

    Doh! Thanks for the reminder. I try to send my Muslim friend dried dates for Ramadan, but the holiday always catches me off guard (damn lunar calendar). I figure it’s the least I can do since he loves Christmas.

  13. justsearching
    August 12, 2010

    @grantdale

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/11/indonesia-new-aceh-law-imposes-torture

    Gays who live in the Indonesian province of Aceh, a province that recently voted to impose shariah law upon its citizens, can look forward to 100 lashes if they are found to have engaged in private consensual sex.

    Yeah, happy Ramadan everyone.

  14. Emily K
    August 12, 2010
  15. Emily K
    August 12, 2010

    i did a brief search.

    http://www.gaymiddleeast.com/country/iraq.htm

    interesting. has many links to other queer arab sites.

  16. grantdale
    August 12, 2010

    @justsearching

    The provincial government (in this case effectively holding to the view of central government) refused to implement the law. Aceh has more local autonomy than other provinces, but only up to a point — this sort of pressing by Aceh religious cranks has been going on for years (as in, over a decade) and Aceh stands outside of conventional Indonesian religious and political attitudes.

    Rather than the status of the law itself, more worrying would be a mob of local loons taking matters into their own hands, and local police looking the other way (or potentially even participating). Non-locals, non-Muslims and foreigners have much less to fear.

    The same shariah issues come up in Kelantan and Terengganu (Malaysia), although in that case there is also an anti-gay law covering the entire country.

  17. justsearching
    August 12, 2010

    From what I read, even in other areas of Indonesia, no politician would think to be a defender of gay issues. It doesn’t appeal even to the “moderate” Muslims of that country. It’s clear that around the world, generally speaking, the less religious people are, the less anti-gay they are. Period.

    Going back to Muslims, what bout gay Muslims who travel to Mecca (hardly a peripheral area in Muslim thought)? If they’re discovered, they technically could be sentenced to death, although arrest and flogging would be more likely.

    I guess my main point is that I see no reason for a gay news site to Hallmarkize a holiday of a religion whose most adamant proponents have created the most draconian anti-gay laws in countries throughout Africa and the Middle East.

  18. Pintick
    August 13, 2010

    Anteros wrote:

    “Pintick, do you honestly believe that all muslims and all ugandans hate gay people?”

    No.

    “are you denying the existence of gay muslims and gay ugandans?”

    No.

    “wouldn’t such a denial put you in the same camp…?”

    Irrelevant, since you are assuming things about are not true and can’t be concluded from what I wrote.

    The penalty for being gay in Saudi Arabia and Iran, and many other Sharia sh!tholes, is DEATH. My question to you is: is this in accordance with Islam, or against it?

    I have another question for you. Which religion is worse: Christianity, or Islam? And why? I ask this because I think you have a deep hatred for Christianity, and you see that Islam is anti-Christianity, and therefore, Islam, to you, is good. And therefore it pisses you off when I state the truth about Islam that doesn’t jive with your simple-minded world view.

    Notice I’ve said nothing about Muslims, gay people, Ugandans, or anything else you’re imagining. But you’ll probably call me racist because your world view can’t cope with the fact that Islam itself is violently anti-gay at its core, even more so than Christianity.

  19. anteros
    August 13, 2010

    Pintick, i’ve heard both christian and muslim leaders prescribing death for acts of homosexuality, based on their interpretation of the bible and koran respectively. the difference is that so far, those christian leaders have been unsuccessful in their attempts at influencing legislators into implementing their prescriptions.

    what is your proposed solution to religion-based hate towards homosexuality? hate the haters back? does that mean gay people must never wish muslims and christians well? oh wait… no mention was made of muslims, islam is a gay problem not muslims, right? …so, let’s give them a taste of their own medicine and love the religious but hate the religion, sound good to you? …we gotta be cool with christians and muslims, but just dont wish them well at christmas and ramadan?

    another solution might be to exploit every opportunity to bridge gaps… while avoiding direct exposure to hate. that way, maybe hundreds of years from now nobody will feel irked by gay people wishing muslims a happy ramadan because hopefully by then, nobody will still be using religion to justify the persecution and killing of gay people around the world.

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