France votes “no” on to marriage equality

Timothy Kincaid

June 14th, 2011

France has a limited second-tier recognition it allows for same sex couples, pacte civil de solidarité. It appears that this will remain the case for a while (Pink News)

The French parliament has rejected a bill designed to give gay couples the right to marry.

Today, lawmakers voted by 293 votes to 222 to block the bill, which was not expected to pass.

This is a bit ironic. One of the unexpected results of offering the second tier PACS is that many opposite-sex couples are opting for PACS as a sort of trial-marriage rather than take on the full obligations in marriage. Those who voted for religious beliefs about marriage being ideal or who sought to “protect marriage” actually hurt their cause.

bigolpoofter

June 14th, 2011

Brilliant! Blame the Gays because you set up a second-tier status that more heterosexuals seek now because of their fear of commitment.

TonyJazz

June 14th, 2011

It remains dissappointing that the French remain behind their peers on this subject. I know they’ve been stuck with a sexist, right-wing government for a long time, but you’d hope that they would become more socially progressive at some point.

I’m glad that I haven’t been to France for a long while, and this is one more reason to avoid returning….

Timothy (TRiG)

June 14th, 2011

I expect better things of the country which created one of the first human rights documents in the world. I think it’s still better than what we have in Ireland, isn’t it?

TRiG.

Graham

June 14th, 2011

When the iron hand of Sarko is gone the true republican ideal of equality will triumph.

occono

June 14th, 2011

^^ Actually I think PACS are worse….

chanson

June 15th, 2011

It’s funny how counter-productive the efforts of the “defenders of marriage” are when it comes to promoting marriage. Even if you set aside the obvious (disallowing gay marriage is directly preventing committed couples from getting married) and just look at the effects on straight people’s marriages, they’re still doing the opposite of helping.

Before the gay marriage debate took off, there was a bit of a trend in the US and Europe that marriage is mostly for traditionalists who care whether they’re sinning or not, but most couples don’t really need it. That gay people would fight so hard for the right to marry has taught young straight people that marriage is something valuable, to work and fight for. And the statistics bear this out (in terms of increasing marriage rate and decreasing divorce rate in places where there’s strong support for gay marriage).

The story you cite illustrates the other side of the same coin. They tried telling people “You don’t really need marriage — you should be satisfied with PACS, which is pretty much just as good — marriage is for religious people.” And if you convince people of that, look what happens to (straight) marriage.

Timothy Kincaid

June 15th, 2011

TRiG,

No, Ireland has civil unions which provide for nearly all of the rights, benefits and obligations of marriage (there are some exceptions). PACS are among the weakest of all schemes in Western Europe.

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