24 responses

  1. Christopher
    August 6, 2012

    As a Tennessee resident it’s times like this that I wish our ballots had a “none of the above” option, but they don’t.

    All I can really say is that I’ve gotten used to being ashamed of my home state, especially in recent years, and the reasons for that have consistently been on both sides of the aisle.

  2. Hyhybt
    August 6, 2012

    If the Republican were actually pro-gay, this might be different… but as it stands, which party controls the senate is up for grabs, and that’s more important than whether one senator is slightly less or slightly more anti-gay.

  3. Timothy (TRiG)
    August 6, 2012

    My brain hurts.

    TRiG.

  4. Dr. Shaun Crowell
    August 6, 2012

    Bob Corker is not your best choice as he is a big government, establishment politician. What does this mean? It means that he has voted against the Constitution 40% of the time in office. If you vote for Bob Corker then you will only be supporting the status quo politician. Who is your best choice on November 6th? You need to vote for the candidate that will support your Bill of Rights as a United States citizen, someone who cares about your freedom. A true liberty minded independent candidate who will support your rights. Vote for Dr. Shaun Crowell for the U.S. Senate!

  5. Timothy Kincaid
    August 6, 2012

    Dr. Shaun,

    I VERY MUCH doubt that you care about MY freedom. In fact, from your website, it would seem that while Corker would vote against my freedom, you would make opposing my freedom and equality a part your mission.

    So, no. I think that of all the possible choices, you would not be the one I would select.

  6. David Roberts
    August 6, 2012

    I second Hyhybt’s comments. A vote like that is never an isolated issue.

  7. Timothy Kincaid
    August 6, 2012

    David,

    I try to let comments like that go. But I’m not going to this time.

    You’re wrong. It is an isolated issue.

    Hello? This is Tennessee. Corker is going to win. There is absolutely zero question about it. The ONLY issue is how many votes will the Hate Group Candidate get?

    Now you can go right ahead and vote for the guy who campaigned to have any advocacy for gay youth banned by state law. You can decide that voting for a Democrat is more important than voting against someone who sees anti-gay discrimination to be his calling.

    But that really has to be the dumbest example of partisan blindness that I’ve ever encountered.

    I mean, I’ve seen Log Cabin place priorities in ways that I think are a bit too generous to their party affiliation. And GOProud takes pride in selling out and opposing what they stupidly think of as “the Gay Left”.

    But not even GOProud would actually vote for a Anti-Gay Hate Group Candidate solely because of his political party.

  8. Timothy Kincaid
    August 6, 2012

    caveat: (while I think that your comment was a less-than-brilliant way to see this issue, I am not trying to insult you or imply that you are stupid. I know that isn’t the case)

  9. MsRowena
    August 6, 2012

    That Clayton guy’s glasses are freaking me out, man. Sort of like Aristotle Onassis meets Seven of Nine.

  10. MsRowena
    August 6, 2012

    Whoops. Delgaudio dude’s glasses. Sorry, those glasses _made_ me mess up.

  11. cd
    August 7, 2012

    I hear that the Tennessee Democratic Party’s recommendation is to write in a candidate. I.e. vote for neither Clayton nor Corker.

  12. Lord_Byron
    August 7, 2012

    TN does allow write-in candidates and personally i wouldn’t vote for either. Both are anti-gay, just to different degrees. It’d be the same as asking me to vote for a guy who only wants to break my legs compared to the other one that wants to cut them off.

  13. Mark F.
    August 7, 2012

    Off topic, but San Francisco has a pro-gay, pro-medical marijuana, fiscally conservative and anti-war Republican, John Dennis, running against Nancy Pelosi. Not a chance in hell of winning, but he’s worth supporting.

    Unfortunately, I just moved out of the district.

  14. David Roberts
    August 8, 2012

    caveat: (while I think that your comment was a less-than-brilliant way to see this issue, I am not trying to insult you or imply that you are stupid. I know that isn’t the case)

    Whatever.

    I try to let comments like that go. But I’m not going to this time.

    All that’s missing is “just wait until your father gets home.”

    Ever since I switched to the Democratic party, you keep expecting me to start hunting Republicans with the vengeance of a smoker off cigarettes. 

    The truth is, I was so fed up with the GOP the last few years I was in the party that my view couldn’t sink much lower anyway. Talk about anti-gay!

    We are talking about a US Senate seat, are we not?  Then yes, with a razor thin majority in the Senate and the House lost to the tea party, I would vote for the Democrat.  In this instance, the stakes are too high. 

    If the race is a shoe in for the GOP candidate, then I’m not sure why we are even discussing it, unless it was to give you a chance to highlight a bad example of a Democrat? I mean, if the guy is already going to lose…

    It’s interesting how you addressed all this to me, instead of Hyhybt who actually made the comment that I agreed with.

  15. Ryan
    August 8, 2012

    The Tennessee Democratic Party has disavowed Clayton and openly urged Democrats in Tennessee to write in a candidate. That’s obviously the best and only option for Tennessee Democrats. (Other than moving the hell out of Tennessee, of course).

  16. Ryan
    August 8, 2012

    @David Roberts, clearly Clayton would vote with the Republicans against any gay rights legislation, so what purpose would his win serve? Why would Dems ever want to have their party associated with such a hateful bigot? It’s clearly a moot point anyway, he’ll lose. But to vote for him simply because he has a “D” next to his name seems incredibly short-sighted.

  17. David Roberts
    August 8, 2012

    But to vote for him simply because he has a “D” next to his name seems incredibly short-sighted.

    That is one view, one I don’t share.  Both are anti-gay, so that legislation is moot.  But the man must be a Democrat for some reason.  So if presented with two anti-gay candidates, one from each party, and given the current make-up of the Congress, I would chose the Democrat. 

    I would gamble that there would be other areas of that platform where he would vote with the party and therefore maintain that majority.  The GOP — on the national level and increasingly on the local level — is simply too toxic across the board.  In another time and situation, I would not feel so pressed to vote that way.  I do now.

    The point has been made more than once that this is all moot anyway.  First, I don’t live there and can’t vote for either of them.  Second, it would seem the prevailing wisdom that the GOP candidate is going to win. 

    Until the GOP either survives this case of ideological rabies it has contracted or a viable third party splits off, my vote will be far more partisan than in previous years.  If you feel differently, by all means vote your conscience. 

  18. Timothy Kincaid
    August 8, 2012

    David
    So what you’re saying is that you are more partisan than GOProud. Yikes.

    Ryan
    Have they coalesced around anyone to write in yet?

    The whole thing is so stupid (and funny). If Democratic Party leadership had just ran one sacrificial lamb who was a credible token who could talk to the press and who could insist on debates, then they could at least have a voice in presenting ideas and could hold Corker to positions and challenge his values – even if they knew they would lose.

    At this point, they need to find a person to be the figurehead. How friggen hard can that be? Just announce that good Democrats should write in the party chairman, or a state-wide elected official.

  19. David Roberts
    August 8, 2012

    So what you’re saying is that you are more partisan than GOProud. Yikes.

    Well no, but thanks for twisting my words.  If you ever actually want to discuss something rather than just dismiss me like a child, you know where to find me.

  20. Ron Crowell
    August 12, 2012

    You might want to consider Dr. Shaun Crowell as an alternative. He is a conservative Christian; I don’t know how that sits with a lot of people.

    I am his dad. That is my email and his Website. Check out his website and get it right this time.

    Ron

  21. Timothy Kincaid
    August 13, 2012

    Ron,

    Yes, clearly Shaun is a conservative Christian of the ‘force everyone else to live by what my church teaches’ variety.

    Thanks, but I vote against theocrats, not for them.

  22. Ron Crowell
    October 20, 2012

    Timothy,

    Actually Dr. Crowell believes just like most actual Christians, that everyone should choose what they believe after trying to look at all sides of an issue. However, if anyone does not believe they are right they should not believe that way. We must be very careful in what we believe, it is not about feeling.

    The wheat and tares will be separated by someone with a lot more wisdom than what us humans have been given.

    Ron

  23. Priya Lynn
    October 20, 2012

    Ron, the wheat and tares will only be separated by humans. The only things god has ever done are those things commanded by humans.

  24. Timothy Kincaid
    October 20, 2012

    Ron,

    Well I have to appreciate your persistence. But truly you are not gaining support.

    I am certainly not “about feeling” and if you have “looked at all sides” of the issue of equality under the law and somehow decided that you should have rights that I don’t have because your denomination doesn’t like me, then you are neither a follower of Jesus nor a lover of freedom.

    And if you’re concerned about wheat and tares, I refer you to Matthew 25:31-46.

    You see a people in need, those who have been denied the right to marry, to look after each other, to care for children, and to live in peace with their neighbor and you have decided that that is A-ok with you because you don’t like the way God created them.

    Sir, your soul is in peril.

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