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StraightGrandmother
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
The data is at the University of Michigan, here
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/index.jsp
Inter-university Consortium for Political and Social Research. This organization accepts and maintains the raw data from different research projects. It is like a storage house.
I spoke with the technician, his name is Arun, who accepts the income data and then he gets it into their system.
Arun told me that to access the data you would have to use some widely used software that apparently most Sociology Researchers use. You also have to be a member of the Storage organization, he said most Universities are members.
I asked Arun if he could do a data dump just into Excel Spreadsheets once he got done with his installation process. And if I could buy that. There are not that many records, Regenerus started supposedly with 15,000 and the filtered it back to 3,000 records. Of course there are subsidiary tables, for example the calendaring data, which need to then be joined with an individual record (parent/child tables) but still we are not talking that many records here. I would upload the Excel Workshhets into Tables in Access, is how I plan on working with the data. Although Arun did not give me a definitive answer (I called out of the blue and he was kind of on the spot) my sense is that he will do this, make the data available for purchase (I emphasized low cost) in another format.
I emphasized to Arun how important this data is and asked him to prioritize it as he said it takes him about 6 weeks to get the data into their system. I can’t remember when I called but I would guess about a month now. Rob PLEASE do call Arun and ask for the same thing I asked for. He needs to know that many people are interested in accessing this data and we should not be chilled because of cost. The more phone calls to Arun requesting the data the better!
StraightGrandmother
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
And THANK YOU Rob for keeping this on your radar and writing about it. Hope you call Arun.
Rob Tisinai
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
Thanks, SG! How did you learn this?
Truthspew
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
Interesting – StraightGrandmother if you need help with Access let me know. I’ve become more than proficient with databases over the years.
Regan DuCasse
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
SG, you are something else! You have to be one of the smartest, most determined women ever!
LOVE you!
And thank you so much for doing such good work on this.
xo
StraightGrandmother
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
Well…. I sent an e-mail to the Department Chair at University of Texas Austin complaining about Regnerus bogarting the data, this way he was insulating himself from criticism. A few days later Regnerus wrote on his blog that he turned the data over to the University of Michigan. I am sure that is sheer coincidence, right? I still look daily for anything on Regnerus and to connect the dots. This is still very vital as this is before our Supreme Court as BLAG has cited this “research” in their briefs on the DOMA cases, so I still see it as a deep threat.
I hope you are reading Scott Rose’s articles at the New Civil Rights Movement as he continues to discover and expose.
Regan, I have tired previously to get in touch with you. My e-mail address is my forum name and then at Google Mail.
TampaZeke
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
StraightGrandmother is my HERO!
I want to be her grandson in my next life!
Rob Tisinai
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
It’s pretty much official: StraightGrandmother rocks.
sue jeffers
November 10th, 2012 | LINK
i’m not sure where i downloaded things from, but the codebook, research design etc. were with the dataset. think i’ll use it somehow in my quantitative research course next semester. the dataset, if i remember, is a mess as far as formatting for any statistics program goes. it is all stored on my home computer and i could zip it up and send it to you if you’d like.
StraightGrandmother
November 11th, 2012 | LINK
Tampa Zeke, you are ALL my family. It is my Privilege to know YOU.
Sue Jeffers, why yes, yes, yes, please do send me whatever work you have on the codebook and anything else. Since you have done so much work on it perhaps you will be interested in reading the following reports I created. They are hard to read but I can’t help that it’s very detailed work. It is really pathetic that Regnerus can’t add which these reports show.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/105616753/NFSS-Regnerus-Errors
http://www.scribd.com/doc/105614489/NFSS-Rebuttal-Report-Non-Disclosure-of-Records-Removed
http://www.scribd.com/doc/105617392/NFSS-Regnerus-Graphs-of-Origional-Report
http://www.scribd.com/doc/105618148/NFSS-Graphsof-Regnerus-Rebuttal-Report
And just to round things out here is the famous Sarantakos research that no one ever can get their hands on the full report. I found out that Sarantakos is very ill so I doubt if he’ll complain. I want to thank Ben a frequent commenter here for getting me this report, it wasn’t easy.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104377190/Sarantakos-Study
Sue J it was a REAL PIA to take all of the tables in both Regnerus’ reports and put them into Excel. I can send you these if you would like. This will save you hours upon hours upon hours. You did some work and I did some work, and what you did I didn’t do, and what I did you didn’t do, so it would be great to share.
It really makes me mad that the Original report that Regnerus made is freely available, but the criticisms you have to pay for. + Regnerus’ non peer reviewed rebuttal report is behind a paywall also. This is contrary to what the Editor of the Journal Social Science Promised me. Dr. Wright Promised me that all criticisms would be available on line for free, just like the original report is available for free. So since Dr. Wroght promised me this would be the case, here then is Regnerus’ rebuttal report
http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse
Second objection letter signed by over 200 leading scholars and Medical Professionals including the President at the time of the American Sociological Association Dr. Erik Olin Wright
http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850061/NFSS-Commentary-GaryGatesRebuttalLetter2Editor
Commentary by California State Sociologist Barret
http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850472/NFSS-Commentarty-Barett
Commentary by Sociologist Massey of Princeton
http://www.scribd.com/doc/112850572/NFSS-Commentary-Massey
Dr. James Wright the Editor PROMISED me these were all going to be FREE access, so I am making them FREE access, a promise is a promise :)
StraightGrandmother
November 11th, 2012 | LINK
I should have maybe captioned this link better. Regnerus responded to his critics by reslicing the data (he removed 400 records but doesn’t give a good explanation of why he did that). He wrote this NON PEER REVIEWED paper to answer his critics. The Journal Social Science Research published this NON PEER REVIEWED paper in November 2012.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/112849838/NFSS-Commentary-RegnerusResponse
Jay
November 12th, 2012 | LINK
I need to add my gratitude to StraightGrandmother. She is inspiring and tenacious. Awesome.
Jimmy Green
November 12th, 2012 | LINK
Anyone else catch Regnerus latest at National Review?
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333193/lesbian-mothers-children-mark-regnerus
Similarly, he has been posting snide passive-aggressive articles on an evangelical sociology blog constantly reinforcing the idea that his research “disproves” all prior “pro-gay” research?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comment-16307
This has been his modus operandi from the beginning – nuance and equivocation in the mainstream media, while playing the noble scientist and religious martyr in right wing outlets.
Disgusting….
StraightGrandmother
November 12th, 2012 | LINK
Jimmy Green is right.No jimmy I had not seen that article at the National Review so thanks for bringing us that, I’ll go check it out.
Jimmy Green
November 12th, 2012 | LINK
Check out Regnerus and Yancey petulant and completely evasive reply to my comment on their blog…
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/11/when-data-go-bad/#comments
They have the Noble Scholar/Christian Martyr routine down to a science. I love the comment from Regnerus that he is so busy doing his work that he can’t be bothered to worry about how his research is used. He also had the gall to compare Focus on the Family to the HRC!
And then Yancey, an African-American evangelical, pipes in that his work has been cited by White Supremists so basically piss off.
Arg….I am convinced now that Regnerus is just as corrupt and political as Maggie, George, etc. He just makes more of an effort to flatter pseudo-liberals like Saletan at Slate but the result is the same.
The one bit of satisfaction is that I think he is really feeling the heat from the academic community and maybe did not realize how big the blowback would be from so blatabtly violating scientific norms.
sue jeffers
November 13th, 2012 | LINK
StraightGrandmother – my email is suejeffers@fbirecords.com. i have access to most academic journal articles thru the university and can probably help getting them without shelling out cash. Things like the NARTH in house publication- that research circle jerk they pretend is peer reviewed- are not included unfortunately.
sue jeffers
February 5th, 2013 | LINK
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/34392?q=mark+regnerus&permit0=AVAILABLE
Not sure how long this has been uploaded, or if this is a good link outside of my library acct.
Darina
February 5th, 2013 | LINK
Sue, your link works just fine.
And the files are accessible even if you just go to the icpsr site and type “Mark Regnerus” in the “Find Data” field.
The questionnaire of the studyis also available online here: http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-Survey-Instrument.pdf I was told about that today by a Russian user on LiveJournal, imagine that! It seems that the study is already being cited as legitimate by Russian sources (and the misconception about it has recently reached my native Bulgaria too).
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