The Daily Agenda for Saturday, May 11

Jim Burroway

May 11th, 2013

Events This Weekend: Pride Bergen, Norway; Boston LGBT Film Festival, Boston, MA; BeachBear Weekend, Ft. Lauderdale, FL; Houston Splash, Houston, TX; BigHorn Rodeo, Las Vegas, NV; Pride Maspalomas, Gran Canaria; Pride Mykolayiv, Ukraine; AIDS Walk Ogunquit, ME.

Frank Kameny Declares “We Are the True Authorities on Homosexuality”: 1965. That was a bold declaration to make in 1965. It’s almost impossible to overstate the degree of deference that was accorded the mental health profession a half century ago. Psychiatrists —  by virtue of their degrees, university affiliations, books and lectures — commanded a great deal of deference in society and they were the recognized authorities on everything touching on the human condition.  When psychiatrists conducted research into a given population and declared it sick, they more or less had the last word on the matter. Many — though certainly not all — gay activists went along with those pronouncements. If a doctor said someone was sick, they reasoned, then who else had the standing and the credentials to say differently?

This led to some strange arguments in the pages of  ONE magazine, the Mattachine Review, and the Daughters of Bilitis’ newsletter, The Ladder. Those who deferred to the psychiatric profession’s belief that gay people were sick developed arguments for why gays and lesbians deserved equal rights (or at the very least, “understanding”) either despite or because of their sickness. Others argued that gay people weren’t sick — and they, too, could count on a number of psychiatrists and psychologists who agreed with them — and they called for even more psychological research which, they reasoned, would somehow open the door to “understanding” on the part of the public. While the two sides disagreed over whether gay people were sick, they both agreed on one thing: that psychiatry would ultimately settle the question, and when they did everyone else would fall in line. Early gay activists were so beholden to that belief that almost all of the early gay rights organizations included the sponsorship or promotion of research as part of their mission statements.

In 1965, gay rights pioneer Frank Kameny (see May 21) put forth an argument that obliterated the very foundation on which those arguments rested. In an essay published in Daughters of Bilitis’s The Ladder, Kameny challenged psychiatry’s monopoly on deciding the mental status of gay Americans. His declaration of independence from the psychiatric profession was part of a broader shift taking place that year in the gay rights movement, when activists shifted from putting forward “reasonable” discussions on whether gay people deserved equal treatment to staging public protests demanding that America treat gay Americans as full citizens (see Apr 17, Apr 18, Apr 25, Jul 4, Jul 31). Kameny’s declaration so clearly crystalizes the debate as it occurred in 1965 that I decided to present it here in full:

Does Research Into Homosexuality Matter?

By Dr. Franklin E. Kameny.

(Franklin E. Kameny, Ph.D., is a physicist and astronomer in private industry. He is founder and former president, and is currently on the Executive Board, of the Mattachine Society of Washington which recently adopted this resolution: “The Mattachine Society of Washington takes the position that in the absence of valid evidence to the contrary, homosexuality is not a sickness, disturbance, or pathology in any sense, but is merely a preference, orientation, or propensity, on par with, and not different in kind from, heterosexuality.”)


As little as two years ago, “militancy” was something of a dirty word in the homophile movement. Long inculcation in attitudes of cringing meekness had taken its toll among homosexuals, combined with a feeling, still widely prevalent, that reasonable, logical, gentlemanly and ladylike persuation (sic) and presentation of reasonable, logical argument, could not fail to win over those who would deny us our equality and our right to be homosexual and to live as homosexuals without disadvantage. There was — and is — a feeling that given any fair chance to undertake dialogue with such opponents, we would be able to impress them with the basic rightness of our position and bring them into agreement with it.

Unfortunately, by this approach alone we will not prevail, because most people operate not rationally but emotionally on questions of sex in general, and homosexuality in particular, just as they do on racial questions.

It is thus necessary for us to adopt a strongly positive approach, a militant one. It is for us to take the initiative, the offensive — not the defensive — in matters affecting us. It is time that we began to move from endless talk (directed, in the last analysis, by us to ourselves) to firm, vigorous action.

We ARE right; those who oppose us are both factually and morally wrong. We are the true authorities on homosexuality, whether we are accepted as such or not. We must DEMAND our rights, boldly, not beg cringingly for mere privileges, and not be satisfied with crumbs tossed to us. I have been deeply gratified to note in the past year a growing spirit of militancy on the part of an increasing number of members of the homophile organizations.

We would be foolish not to recognize what the Negro rights movement has shown us is sadly so: that mere persuasion, information and education are not going to gain for us in actual practice the rights and equality which are ours in principle.

I have been pleased to see a trend away from weak, wishy-washy compromise positions in our movement, toward ones of strong affirmation of what it is that we believe and want, followed by a drive to take whatever action is needed to obtain our rights. I do not of course favor uncontrolled, unplanned, ill-considered lashing out. Due and careful consideration must always be given to tact and tactics. Within the bounds dictated by such considerations, however, we must be prepared to take firm, positive, definite action — action initiated by us, not merely responding to the initiatives of others. The homophile movement increasingly is adopting this philosophy.


Among the topics to which we are led by the preceding, is that of our approach to the question of homosexuality as a sickness. This is one of the most important issues — probably THE most important single issue — facing our movement today.

It is a question upon which, by rationalization after rationalization, members of the homophile movement have backed away from taking a position. It is a question upon which a clear, definite, unambiguous, no-nonsense stand MUST be taken, must be taken promptly, and must be taken by US, publicly.

There are some who say that WE will not be accepted as authorities, regardless of what we say, or how we say it, or what evidence we present, and that therefore we must take no positions on these matters but must wait for the accepted authorities to come around to our position — if they do. This makes of us a mere passive battlefield across which conflicting “authorities” fight their intellectual battles. I, for one, am not prepared to play a passive role in such controversy, letting others dispose of me as they see fit. I intend to play an active role in the determination of my own fate.

As a scientist by training and by profession, I feel fully and formally competent to judge good and poor scientific work when I see them — and fully qualified to express my conclusions.

In looking over the literature alleging homosexuality as a sickness, one sees, first, abysmally poor sampling technique, leading to clearly biased, atypical samplings, which are then taken as representative of the entire homosexual community. Obviously all persons coming to a psychiatrist’s office are going to have problems of one sort or another, are going to be disturbed or maladjusted or pathological, in some sense, or they wouldn’t be there. To characterize ALL homosexuals as sick, on the basis of such a sampling — as Bieber, Bergler, and others have done — is clearly invalid, and is bad science.

Dr. Daniel Cappon, in his recent appalling book TOWARD AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOMOSEXUALITY (perhaps better named “Away from an Understanding of Homosexuality” or “Toward a Misunderstanding of Homosexuality”) acknowledges at least this non-representative sampling and actually shows some faint signs of suggesting that perhaps there are two classes of homosexuals: patients and non-patients.

Notwithstanding Dr. Bieber’s cavalier dismissal of it, Dr. Evelyn Hooker’s work involving non-clinical homosexual subjects, with its very careful sampling technique and its conclusions of non-sickness, still remains convincing.

One sees secondly, in the literature alleging homosexuality as sickness, a violation of basic laws of logic by the drawing of “conclusions” which were inserted as assumptions. Dr. Bieber does this (and by implication, attributes it to his entire profession) in his statement: “All psychoanalytic theories ASSUME that homosexuality is psychopathological.” Dr. Cappon says: “…homosexuality, BY DEFINITION, is not healthy…” (Emphasis supplied in both quotations.) Obviously, if one assumes homosexuality as pathological or defines it as unhealthy at the outset, one will discover that homosexuals are sick. The “conclusions,” however, can carry no weight outside the self-contained, rather useless logical structure erected upon the assumption or definition. The assumptions must be proven; the definitions must be validated. They have not been.

I am able to speak as a professional scientist when I say that we search in vain for any evidence, acceptable under proper scientific standards, that homosexuality is a sickness or disorder, or that homosexuals per se are disturbed.

On the basis of a disguised moralistic judgement (sometimes not at all disguised, as with Dr. Cappon), mixed both with a teleological approach to sexual matters, and with a classification as sickness of any departure from conformity to the statistical societal norms (on this basis, Dr. Cappon seems to come close to defining left-handedness as sickness), homosexuality has been DEFINED as pathological. We have been defined into sickness.

In logic, the entire burden of proof in this matter rests with those who would call us sick. We do not have to prove health. They have not shouldered their burden or proof of sickness; therefore we are not sick. These are things which it is our duty to point out, and, having pointed them out, to take strong public positions on them.

Then there are those who say that the label appended really doesn’t matter. Let the homosexual be defined as sick, they say, but just get it granted that even if sick, he can function effectively and should therefore be judged only on his individual record and qualifications, and it is that state of being-judged-as-an-individual, regardless of labels, toward which we must work. This unfortunately is a woefully impractical, unrealistic, ivory-tower approach. Homosexuality is looked upon as a psychological question. If it is sickness or disease or illness, it becomes then a mental illness. Properly or improperly, people ARE prejudiced against the mentally ill. Rightly or wrongly, employers will NOT hire them. Morally or immorally, the mentally ill are NOT judged as individuals, but are made pariahs. If we allow the label of sickness to stand, we will then have two battles to fight — that to combat prejudice against homosexuals per se, and that to combat prejudice against the mentally ill — and we will be pariahs and outcasts twice over. One such battle is quite enough.

Finally, as a matter of adopting a unified, coherent, self-consistent philosophy, we MUST argue from a positive position of health. We cannot declare our equality and ask for acceptance and for judgement as whole persons, from a position of sickness. More than that, we argue for our RIGHT to be homosexuals, to remain homosexuals, and to live as homosexuals. In my view and by my moral standards, such an argument is immoral if we are not prepared, at the same time, to take a positive position that homosexuality is not pathological. If homosexuality indeed IS a sickness, then we have no right to remain homosexuals; we have the moral obligation to seek cure, and that only.

When we tell the various arms of organized society that part of our basic position is the request for acceptance as homosexuals, freed from constant pressure for conversion to heterosexuality, we are met with the argument of sickness. This occurred recently at a meeting between Washington Mattachine members and eleven representatives of all three major faiths, at which we asked for such acceptance of the homosexual into the religious community. Our entire position, our entire raison d’etre for such meetings, falls to the ground unless we are prepared to couple our requests with an affirmative, definitive assertion of health — as we in Washington did in that instance.

I feel, therefore, that in the light of fact and logic, the question of sickness is a settled one and will remain so until and unless valid evidence can be brought forth to demonstrate pathology. Further, I feel that for purposes of strategy, we must say this and say it clearly and with no possible room for equivocation or ambiguity.


Movements tend to get themselves tied up with certain ideas and concepts, which in time assume the status of revealed and revered truth and cease being subjected to continuing, searching re-examination in the light of changed conditions. As an habitual skeptic, heretic, and iconoclast, I wish here to examine critically if briefly the value and importance to the homophile movement of research into homosexuality, of our commitment to it, and of the role, if any, which such research should play in the movement and in the activities of the homophile organizations.

I recognize that, with the deference granted to science in our culture, it is very respectable and self-reassuring and impressive to call one’s group a research organization or to say that the group’s purpose is research. However, at the outset one fact should be faced directly. For all their pledges of allegiance to the value of research, for all their designation of themselves as research organizations, for all their much-vaunted support and sponsorship of research, NO American homophile organization that I know of has thus far done any effective or meaningful research, has sponsored any research, has supported or participated in any truly significant research. (With the single exception of Dr. Evelyn Hooker’s study, and while I grant that to be a major and important exception, the participation involved nothing more than supplying candidates for experimentation.) The homophile movement’s loss from its failure to contribute to research has been not from that failure, but from the diversion into talking (“maundering” might be a better term) about research — diversion of effort, time, and energy better expended elsewhere.

For purposes of this discussion, we can divide the objectives of relevant research into two loosely delineated classes: research into the origins and causes of homosexuality, and research into collateral aspects of the homosexual and his life and his community.

Almost always, when the homosexual speaks of research on homosexuality, he means the former class in one aspect or another: “What is the nature of homosexuality?” “What are its causes?” “Why am I a homosexual?” “Is homosexuality a sickness?” “Can the homosexual be changed?” Objectionably, “How can homosexuality be prevented?” etc.

A consideration of the rationale behind the homosexual’s interest in such questions will quickly show that they are symptomatic of a thinly-veiled defensive feeling of inferiority, of uncertainty, of inequality, of insecurity — and most important, of lack of comfortable self-acceptance.

I have never heard of a single instance of a heterosexual, whatever problems he may have been facing, inquiring about the nature and origins of heterosexuality, or asking why he was a heterosexual, or considering these matters important, I fail to see why we should make similar inquiry in regard to homosexuality or consider the answers to these questions as being of any great moment to us. The Negro is not engrossed in questions about the origins of his skin color, nor the Jew in questions of the possibility of his conversion to Christianity.

Such questions are of academic, intellectual, scientific interest, but they nor NOT — or ought not to be — burning ones for the homophile movement. Despite oft-made statements to the contrary, there is NO great need for research into homosexuality, and our movement is in no important way dependent upon such research or upon its findings.

If we start out — I do, on the basis presented in Part II above — with the premises (1) that the homosexual and his homosexuality are fully and unqualifiedly on par with, and the equal of, the heterosexual and his heterosexuality; and (2) (since others have raised the question) that homosexuality is not an illness -then all these questions recede into unimportance.

We start off with the fact of the homosexual and his homosexuality and his right to remain as he is, and proceed to do all that is possible to make for him -as a homosexual (similarly, in other contexts, as a Negro and as a Jew) -as happy a life, useful to self and to society, as is possible.

Research in these areas therefore is not, in any fundamental sense, particularly needed or particularly important. There is no driving or compelling urgency for us to concern ourselves with it. Those who do allege sickness have created THEIR need for THEIR research; let THEM do it.

In the collateral areas mentioned, well planned and executed research on carefully chosen projects can be of importance, particularly where it will serve to dispel modern folklore. Evelyn Hooker’s research (referred to above) showing no difference outside their homosexuality itself, in its narrowest, denotive sense, between homosexuals and heterosexuals, is one case in point. A study in the Netherlands by a Dr. Tolsma, which showed that the seduction of young boys by homosexuals had no effect upon their adult sexual orientation, is another. The study now under way by the Mattachine Society of Washington to obtain the first meaningful information on the actual susceptibility of homosexuals to blackmail, will probably be a third.

These are all useful projects. Dr. Hooker’s has turned out to be one of our major bulwarks against the barrage of propaganda currently being loosed against us by the agents of organized psychiatry. (However, as I pointed out above, this is a bulwark not needed, in strict logic.) I shall in fact probably be using the .results of all three of these collateral research projects from time to time in my presentations of our case. But these studies are not of the vital importance which could properly lead many of our homophile groups to characterize themselves as research organizations (only one of these projects actually involved a homophile organization to any significant degree) or to divert into research resources better expended elsewhere.

Research does not play the important role in our movement which much lip-service attributes to it. It plays a very useful and occasionally valuable supporting role, but not more than that.

More important than the preceding, however, is the matter of this emphasis upon research, in terms of the evolution of our movement. In the earlier days of the modern homophile movement, allegiance to the alleged importance of research was reasonable. As the philosophy of the movement has formed, crystallized, and matured, and more important, as our society itself has changed — and it has changed enormously in the past fifteen years and even in the past two — the directions and emphases in our movement have changed too. As indicated in Part I of this article, the mainstream has shifted toward a more activist mode of operation.

Continued placing of primary or strong emphasis within our movement upon research w1ll only result in the movement’s loss of the lead which it is taking in the shaping, formation, and formulation of society’s attitudes and policies toward homosexuality and the homosexual.

Thus, while as a scientist I w1ll never derogate the value of research for its own sake in order to provide additional knowledge, as an active member of the homophile movement my position must be quite different. It is time for us to move away from the comfortingly detached respectability of research into the often less pleasant rough-and-tumble of political and social activism.

[Source: Franklin E. Kameny. “Does Research Into Homosexuality Matter?” The Ladder 9, no. 8 (May 1965): 14-20.]

Valentino: 1932. The Italian designer set the fashion bar in the 1960s, when he became a favorite designer for such celebrities and taste-makers as Elizabeth Taylor, Sophia Loren, Jane Fonda, Audrey Hepburn, Cate Blanchett, and Princess Margaret, many of whom were also his personal friends. Jackie Kennedy wore Valentino when she married Aristotle Onassis in 1968, and in a testament to his enduring style, he was the most-worn designer at the 2007 Oscars. It’s likely he would have repeated that achievement in 2008 if he hadn’t chosen to retire that year.

Valentino and his partner, Giancarlo Giammetti, have been the ultimate power couple in the fashion world for more than 50 years, with Giammetti serving as his business partner from very nearly the time they first met in 1960. In the documentary film Valentino: The Last Emperor, Valentino estimated that if one were to add up all of the time the two men have spent apart, it would not amount to more than eight weeks.

Billy Bean: 1964. The former outfielder and left-handed hitter for the Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Dodgers, and San Diego Padres made headlines in 1999 when he became only the second baseball player to publicly come out, three years after his retirement from baseball. It was a long struggle to get there. As a closeted pro athlete, he struggled to juggle his secret and his career. He divorced his wife in 1993 and secretly moved in with his first lover. When his lover died of AIDS, Bean didn’t attend the funeral because he was too frightened that his secret would be revealed. “Why was it so impossible to think that a baseball player could grieve for a man?” he later reflected. “That was a terrible, terrible decision I made.”

His 2003 book, Going the Other Way: Lessons from a Life In and Out of Major League Baseball, chronicles the ups and downs of his life as a gay man and baseball player.

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And feel free to consider this your open thread for the day. What’s happening in your world?

Regan DuCasse

May 11th, 2013

I remember reading that article that Kameny wrote. I think it was in the course of part of my research when putting together the crime contexts and gay people. I went to the ONE institute for a lot of that material.
It’s very interesting arguing with the anti gay on how the DSM changed or what their ideas of mental dysfunction is. I don’t think a single subject can bring out such willful stupidity more than any other.
You’ve all witnessed it yourself that these are people who don’t make distinctions between homosexuality and violent behavior or the assault or betrayal of another person.
Or societal function in which a gay person can be competent among friends and professional colleagues in ways no psychiatric doctor can argue a gay person shouldn’t have independence and self reliance.
Just as now we know there isn’t much point in keeping a gay couple FROM being responsible for each other and their children, the same is true for a gay person who’d otherwise make a contribution but for unnecessary interference and distrust.
Always getting it backwards are the detractors.
I knew when I was a kid how arrogant and rude it is to argue against another’s personal experience as if they have nothing to offer that’s educational.
Even most people are interested in hearing from serial killers in that regard in order to try and learn what motivates them in order to perhaps anticipate or recognize them before they harm anyone.
So for a gay person to STILL have to argue about choosing their orientation, or defending their function in life still boggles me.
In modern society where we are enabled to know more and more, and most people are not much of a mystery to those of us paying attention. That there are still people too stupid to understand when an entire group ISN’T as reprobate as they think, and it’s not GOOD news that’s more of a mental problem in and of itself our society can do without.

F Young

May 11th, 2013

Kameny’s article was brilliant! Thanks for posting it, Jim.


May 11th, 2013

Kameny’s article is magnificiant. Who would have thought that we would have gotten from the mid-1960s to where we are right now. I certainly didn’t. We’ve won the culture war on the subject of homosexuality. I just have to wonder how the Supreme Court will rule at the end of June. My guess is that they will punt and leave the issue of gay marriage to the individual states. While I think that a great case can be made that the court should rule otherwise, I think the wiser move is to let public opinion continue to change…………… and let each state change their laws either through their legislature or by referendum.


May 11th, 2013

If only people would remember that designating something as “sick” is ultimately a judgment. The APA can make its own judgments, based on what it considers a “healthy” life, but so can each of us, based on what we consider a “healthy” life.

By the way: Asexuality, low and high sex drives, and sexual fetishes all remain officially pathologized by the DSM. The psychiatric community is, unfortunately, not progressive enough when it comes to sexuality.


May 12th, 2013

Very interesting article.

I’d like to react on one point, though: “which showed that the seduction of young boys by homosexuals had no effect upon their adult sexual orientation”

> It’s extremely unsettling to read such things. It’s not the first time that I’ve read things written by gay activists in the 60s where THEY themselves seem to make no real difference in their discourse between “pedophile” and gay person. Not to mention Harry Hay’s support of NAMBLA.

It’s a fact nobody in those days made the difference (and still today… re: the boy scouts debacle) but I think for someone as Kameny to not take the precaution to make very clear in the way he says things that there is a complete separation between homosexuality and pedophilia (whether heterosexual or homosexual) is both disappointing and troubling. He understands the risk of being labeled as “mentally ill” for the gay movement, but doesn’t seem to understand how being conflated with pedophiles is one of the (if not THE) worst thing possible for the movement. Strange.

Regan DuCasse

May 12th, 2013

Hi Marcus, I’m thinking that anyone who studies this sort of thing when it comes to human behavior, can point to homosexuality as something that’s ‘corresponding and mutual’, typically when it comes to attachments or what’s considered disordered, there is none of that. It’s strictly something that’s going in one direction, there isn’t another person attached to someone with the SAME disorder BECAUSE of it necessarily and there are levels of social, professional and familial competence that’s part of legit observation.
Most clinical emotional issues can be organic and a matter of wildly fluctuating brain chemicals and there are medications to level it off.
And even psychiatric and psychological professionals have to update their observations, their research, what medications are out there and the results of therapy AND that research.
The way medical doctors have to employ better and more effective techniques. But most importantly ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS.
And NONE of them, as pointed out, says that anyone with problems deserves to never have any opportunities for Constitutional rights and protection or self reliance.
What’s STILL going on with how people are taught in general about homosexuality, and gay people is still in the Dark Ages in some areas.
Even though they wouldn’t accept calling certain conditions demon possession, or recommend using arsenic to treat ‘women’s humors’, they want to maintain ancient diagnosis however wrong for gay people ONLY.
It’s absolutely correct to challenge anyone who keeps lumping gay people in with those who betray, threaten and harm others when being gay and in a committed and caring relationship does nothing like that.
The emotional bond is SHARED, and provides the same sources of health and emotional well being as anyone can HUMANLY expect.
How the anti gay respond to any of these realities is very interesting. Even from ex professionals who should know better.
They do things completely backward from the way they approach everything else.
LISTENING to the subject is supposed to be the preferred measure of initial examination and diagnosis.
When it comes to gay people instead of trying to take something OUT of a gay person’s head, the anti gay are trying to put something IN.
Not that I’m a psychiatrist, per se. But the study of criminal behavior makes a person realize and be more educated about what IS normal and organized.
Besides, most of the people who are at the forefront of marriage discrimination are disgraced or discredited or non credentialed in the area. Nobody should be talking to THEM, let alone listening.

Jim Burroway

May 12th, 2013


That passage you cite is a bit unsettling, nearly 50 years later. It’s important to look at it though in the context of 1965. There wasn’t that much of an awareness back then of what sexual abuse/molestation/assault of males meant in emotional costs as we do today. People understood that when it happened to girls, it was damaging. But that understanding was premised on the popular belief that girls were “weaker” and, well, more emotional generally. But with boys, who were “stronger” and considered to be “manly’ when they held their emotions in check, the perceived damage back then wasn’t emotional, but moral. Boys, it was thought, shrugged it off emotionally, but might become enticed to be gay, which would represent moral damage. That was the premise Kameny was arguing against.

The general public’s knowledge about the emotional costs to adolescent males who were sexually involved with adults didn’t come until much later. If Kameny didn’t take the care to distinguish between pedophilia and homosexuality then, it’s because to a considerable extent the concept of pedophilia itself was little-known outside of the mental health professions. That of course changed considerably as time went on. And with the increased understanding of the emotional costs borne by adolescent males, the perceived (false) connection between homosexuality and pedophilia became much more toxic.

You’re right, today it would look very strange not to make a distinction between pedophilia and homosexuality. As you say, he understood the risk of labeling gay people as mentally ill. But his “carelessness” in not distinguishing between the two is grounded in the way adult sexual contact with young males was viewed back then. And in that context, it wasn’t strange back then (nor was it seem to be as damaging to the gay movement.) But it would be very strange now. I think if Kameny had written that essay in, say, 1985 after the Anita Bryant save-our-children rhetoric, that paragraph would have been much, much different.

Jim Burroway

May 12th, 2013

As I am reviewing old copies of ONE Magazine and The Ladder from 1961, I see something else that helps to explain the context of Kameny’s statement in 1965. Homosexuals, principally gay men, were treated as “sexual offenders” who were the targets of punishment, rehabilitation, and treatment. Gays were generally suspicious of the “Sex offender” label generally, a suspicion that likely went beyond the strict bounds of homosexuality.

Generally, it was all kinda mixed in together. Awareness of the distinctions didn’t really grow until many years later.


May 13th, 2013

I do take your point regarding the lesser understanding of pedophilia and its effects on male children and adolescents.

But when you say: “Generally, it was all kinda mixed in together. Awareness of the distinctions didn’t really grow until many years later.”

Well that’s my point precisely. I find it disappointing coming from Kameny, to not put into question such assumptions, and to not try and differentiate the differences behind the “sex offender” label. I can understand (context, etc.) but I find it disappointing because in so many other respects Kameny was precisely the guy who challenged common assumptions and prejudices about gay people.

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Daniel FettyThe FBI’s annual Hate Crime Statistics aren’t as complete as they ought to be, and their report for 2004 was no exception. In fact, their most recent report has quite a few glaring holes. Holes big enough for Daniel Fetty to fall through.