Josh Dugger Is Making Headlines Again

Jim Burroway

August 20th, 2015

AshleyDuggar

Three months ago, Josh Duggar, the eldest of the 19 Kids and Counting Duggar clan, resigned his position as executive director of FRC Action, the Family “Research” Council’s political lobbying arm, when it was learned that Duggar had been the subject of a felony investigation of allegations that he had molested five young girls, four of whom were his own sisters. The Family “Research” Council has often promoted the lie that gays and lesbians were far more likely to molest children, even though it is not and never has been true. But what did turn out to be true was that it was FRC leaders who were statistically much more likely to molest underage kids.

TLC eventually wound up canceling 19 Kids and Counting, after putting the series on hiatus waiting to see of the whole controversy would blow over. Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee rushed to Duggar’s defense and Josh’s wife stood by his side. You might think that would have been the last we would have heard of the Duggars, or at least of Josh Duggar. But not quite. TLC is set to air an hour-long commercial-free documentary, Breaking the Silence, about child sexual abuse and featuring two of the Duggar daughters on August 30. Rumor has it that the Duggar clan is hoping to use the documentary as an opportunity for a spinoff of some sort featuring the Duggars’ daughters.

But now, new revelations should put any such rumors to rest. Last month, the Ashley Madison, a web site where straight people find hook-up partners outside of their foundation-of-civilization marriages (slogan: “Life is short. Have an affair.”), was hacked by morally indignant hackers who threatened to release the site’s user names and other personal information if Ashley Madison didn’t immediately shut down. Ashley Madison refused, and the spilled out onto the internet yesterday morning. Gawker (who else?) went trolling through the raw data. And low and behold, look what they found:

Someone using a credit card belonging to a Joshua J. Duggar, with a billing address that matches the home in Fayetteville, Arkansas owned by his grandmother Mary—a home that was consistently shown on their now-cancelled TV show, and in which Anna Duggar gave birth to her first child—paid a total of $986.76 for two different monthly Ashley Madison subscriptions from February of 2013 until May of 2015.

Gawker has a lot more information about Duggar’s profile, including the extramarital acts he was looking for (including “One-Night Stands,” “Open to Experimentation,” “Likes to Give Oral Sex,” “Likes to Receive Oral Sex,” “Someone I Can Teach,” “Someone Who Can Teach Me,” and “Sharing Fantasies”)  and his turn-ons (including “naughty girl,” “girl next door,” “high sex drive,” and “aggressive/take charge nature”). Gawker also discovered a second account opened in his name, but with a billing address for Oxon Hill, Maryland, a Washington, D.C. suburb. That’s where he lived when he was working at FRC, where he was hired to “champion marriage and family as the foundation of civilization, the seedbed of virtue, and the wellspring of society.” Duggar, who is married and has four children, may have taken that championing a bit further by possibly shelling out $250 for a money-back “affair guarantee.” No word yet on whether he collected on that guarantee.

After Gawker published their Ashley Duggar discovery, they were soon inundated with tips from readers noticing that Duggar’s unique Ashley Madison email “joesmithsonnwa” also appears as a handle for an OKCupid account. So I guess all this counts as dating and not courtship, huh Josh?

CPT_Doom

August 20th, 2015

We should all be outraged at this breach of security and privacy and it should be a wake up call about the fragile nature of the electronic systems we rely upon so much in the modern world. That being said, pass the damn popcorn! There is a silver lining in even the darkest cloud, and seeing a moral blowhard hoisted by his own petard is just too delicious not to enjoy.

Stephen

August 20th, 2015

CPT Doom is right about this breach. The Duggar thing is a sideshow. Of course it’s deplorable but is anyone surprised by anything these people do? Illiterate, uneducated, provincial know-nothings who luck into a fortune. This new slut-shaming of Mr Duggar has actually done what I thought would be impossible: it’s made me sympathetic. And if I were head of HRC, for example, I would be publicly speaking out against the breach and offering my sympathies to Mr. Duggar. Speaking personally, I can’t begin to imagine how devastating this must be for his wife.

But that being said, I find it very alarming that some morally indignant hacker/s publish the personal data of subscribers to a site of which they disapprove. Because who’s next? Men with a grindr account? As with AshleyMadison.com, I find the very idea of that site/app repulsive but then I’m not 20. Or desperate. But is there now a threat that if one subscribes to any kind of sex-site you’re fair game to be attacked by a self-appointed morals police?

I’m also curious if this was really an attempt at extortion. That makes more sense to me but I haven’t seen anything like that reported.

Spunky

August 20th, 2015

Stephen nailed it. I agree 100% with everything he wrote.

Lucrece

August 20th, 2015

Ashley Madison is not Grindr. It is a site specifically profiting from enabling cheating spouses to carry out affairs.

I have no pity for these people. They’re actually buying into a service to help them cheat discreetly on their spouse. They’re pondscum.

Nathaniel

August 20th, 2015

Lucrece has a point. We have seen politicians exposed for using Grindr, etc. without having the site hacked. Since it is not a pay-for-service site/app, anybody can join and look at users in their area. There is nothing stopping someone from getting your pictures and posting it on the open web; it wouldn’t take long for your identity and personal information to be found. I am not saying that I approve of the hackers, but that some sites will likely never be targets for hackers, since there is no real gain to be had from hacking them.

Ben in oakland

August 20th, 2015

Well, first the fun part. A limerick I composed in quick time.

The Duggars are whores for the money.
They like it so much it’s not funny.
“Molest” say the pedos,
“Those boys in their speedos.”
But Josh prefers lingus that’s cunny.

————

Richard Rush

August 20th, 2015

This is a conundrum for me. While I hope the hackers are found and can be prosecuted for a serious crime, I’m not able to not gloat over the exposure of this super-hypocrite who worked for FRC, eagerly helping them denigrate and castigate gay people for imaginary moral failings.

While the focus is on Josh, his sleazy parents deserve some scrutiny. If they had been focused on quality parenting, rather than pumping out babies to advance a fundamentalist Christian Quiverfull movement, and to populate a TV “realty” show where image trumps reality, things might have been different.

Ben in oakland

August 20th, 2015

Now, the part that is not as fun.

I agree with both Stephen and doom 100%. At the same time, I disagree.

First, Stephen. Duggar is a member of the self-appointed morals police. As such, he gets no sympathy for me when he is found with his hands down the cookie jars pants. He is a raging hypocrite, a moralizing, self righteous busybody, and probably, severely sexually repressed, which is another way of saying sexually obsessed. I suspect he is like that way due to the combination of a severely fundamentalist, Christianist upbringing, the obvious reproductive fetish of his parents and their milieu. and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had to listen to his parents procreating mightily for the next 18 members of the litter. Like the Homo-hating-Homo’s we are all so familiar with, he exercises in his own demons under the pretense of exorcising mine.

I disagree that he is being slut-shamed. I don’t care that he is a slut. I suspect that a lot of people, apart from his moralizing busybody fellow travelers, simply don’t care about it. On and off, I have been a major slut, beyond the dreams of avaricious slutdom of a rank amateur like Duggar. He is being hypocrite and moralizing busybody shamed. He is paying for the very attitudes that he has spent his adult career, such as it was, promoting. And the very same repressive, sex-obsessed industry his parents have promoted, and from which all of them drive their pay checks, their living, and their sense of moral superiority as so-called Christians and human beings.

Also, my sympathies for Mrs. Duggar are likewise a bit limited. She married into that crew, and I sincerely doubt that she was unaware of what she was marrying into. I suspect she is no better than she ought to be.

All that being said: people who put stuff up on the Internet don’t seem to understand that they have actually made it public, no matter how secure the website, no matter how much they tried to disguise what they are doing.

This is why I don’t do online banking in any form. The security risks are just too great. If I purchase stuff online, it is with a credit card, because the credit card company assumes the risk, not me. I don’t purchase stuff on the Internet that I don’t want people to know about. Not that there is much of anything to be worried about, but I don’t put anything on line that might compromise me, my husband, or our life together.

Duggar is a millennial; he grew up with the Internet. Like so many of his self-involved cohort, he isn’t paying any attention to what he does. I suspect he just looks at his iPhone, and loses all sense of boundaries. It reminds me of the other story about King Midas: he was given asses ears as a punishment. Only his barber knew about it, and was under pain of death not to reveal it. The “secret” bothered him so much that he went to a river and whispered the secret to the reeds. When the wind blew, the reeds Whispered “King Midas has asses ears!”

So much for THAT secret. The moral of the story is if you want to secret to Stay secret, don’t tell anyone. Putting it up on the Internet is telling someone. In fact, it’s telling everyone and for all time. No matter how much you might try to make sure it doesn’t happen, once it is out there, there is no guarantee that we will not be out there again. In this case, Duggar’s smug belief that he was beyond getting caught is cluelessness bordering on the criminally negligent.

He assumed, like so many people just like him, that his private life was not only unknown, but off limits. If you are stupid enough to put something embarrassing on the internet– and by joining Ashley Madison, he did just that– don’t be surprised if it comes back to bite you on the ass.

This is the outing controversy all over again. It was never a matter of morality, or right and wrong, but of consequences. Stick a total outside the closet, and you were taking a chance that you will be Roy Ashburned. When they outed us, it was seen as normal and natural. The morality of the home they did to gay people simply did not bother them, because simply, we don’t matter. However, when we out the antigay, it’s a big moral no-no. Sorry. It is only a matter of consequences.

If I were Gawker, I’d come up with every antigay name out there and cross check it with their Ashley Madison list. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a hell of a lot of professional Christian busybodies, religious paragons, and family values types on it.

In fact, I suspect that this finally explains the motivation for hack Ashley Madison to begin with. It didn’t make any sense before. There were no known attempts at blackmail, no other explanations proffered.

But this explains EVERYTHING.

Ben in oakland

August 20th, 2015

Damn auto correct and mild dyslexia struck again.

Stick a TOE outside the closet.

the morality of the HARM…

Priya Lynn

August 20th, 2015

I on the other hand fully support what the hackers did. Its one thing to hack a site where single adults meet and totally another to hack a site that facilitates one spouse cheating on the other. I have no sympathy for the people that were exposed and I’m absolutely giddy without guilt over Josh Duggar being one of those.

Regan DuCasse

August 20th, 2015

Sometimes, discussing the moral implications of things is very difficult.
But morals are important. Especially in areas of betrayal, and hypocrisy. The issues of adultery isn’t something to be so cavalierly dismissed. It’s the kind of thing that precipitates domestic violence, suicides, homicides and destroyed trust and damaged children.
To say nothing of financial ruin. I haven’t had an issue with laws in some states that hold adulterers liable, and those who indulge with people they know are married, suffer some consequences for it.

Josh Duggar and Jared Fogel, have some similarities. Both are people who undeservedly had wholesome public images, while as such, used their privilege to do serious harm to others. Specifically females much younger and more vulnerable than themselves.

I have no sympathy for those caught on AM. I really don’t.
Reputations matter. But CHARACTER will always matter more.

Ben in Oakland

August 20th, 2015

As always, Regan,

BANG ON!

Ben in Oakland

August 20th, 2015

First: It’s Josh Duggar. Damn dyslexia.

Second: Josh Duggar is not only making headlines, he’s making the baby Jesus cry.

Third: It’s all the fault of the internet. But Jesus has forgiven him. He got a special delivery dispensation just this morning when he was not visiting Xvideos.com

Fourth: Betty bowers nailed it again. “GOOD NEWS: Josh Duggar is now fondling adults. BAD NEWS: They aren’t his wife. NOT NEWS AT ALL: He’s a Professional Christianâ„¢ who got paid by the Family Research Council to pompously critique the morality of all Americans. Proving, once again, that perverts make the very best scolds.”

tristram

August 20th, 2015

From what I read, the “moral indignation” of the hackers stemmed NOT from the fact that AM facilitates infidelity, but that in doing so it, as a matter of standard operating procedure, defrauds its subscribers in several ways including (a) charging $19 for a privacy/scrubbing service (internet account scrubbing, not a massage add-on)that it does not actually perform; and (b)knowingly hosting (and possibly paying for the creation of) thousands of bogus accounts of non-existent women in order to attract male subscribers since the site’s M/F ratio exceeds 5:1 – not very good odds for straight guys looking for a straight affair.

Spunky

August 20th, 2015

tristram,

Those sound like very good points, if true. But surely there is a better way to expose those fraudulent actions than to ruin people’s images and relationships. It’s emotional cyber-terrorism.

Stephen

August 20th, 2015

Tristam. Good to know. So it’s about money. That I can believe. Their beef is fraud on the part of the site? Am I understanding that right? You’re the only person who’s posted anything that makes any sense about this. Are the terms at Ashley Whatsit different from any number of other dating and/or porn sites? And do you think it’s based in Russia? Real questions.

I would just like to say that moral outrage from the left is as corrosive and destructive as Christian certainty from the right.

This poor sad little boy was home-schooled, grew up in a police state supervised by his little Napoleon father. All the kids are victims of their father’s psychosis. He’s as much a victim as his sisters. For myself, much to my surprise, I pity him. I pity his sisters more. I pity his gay siblings more. I pity all of the Duggar children raised under the heel of their father. I also pity their mother. Ignorance is a terrible thing. All of them are victims of Stockholm Syndrome and the one who should be prosecuted is Billy-Bob – or whatever the fuck it is he calls himself. And so should the TV channel that enabled and encouraged and made money off this horror.

Sorry. I’m overwhelmed by sadness and contempt regarding this new development. All I would urge you to consider is that ‘Josh’ is as much a victim as the others. He was instructed that if he fapped he’d go to hell; he couldn’t date a girl without a chaperone; his father chose his bride; he subscribed to the cheat site when his wife was perpetually pregnant.

The villain is the father. And the Quiverful movement.

Timothy Kincaid

August 20th, 2015

Stephen, Ashley Madison is based in Canada

Stephen

August 20th, 2015

Timothy: good to know. The issue remains money. And websites not based in Saudi Arabia, or whatever, but Godaddy. Unless this is an outreach on behalf of the Ontario Holy Believers Sin Haters Church of Absolute Geek. Does that sound plausible?

Lord_Byron

August 21st, 2015

While I like him being exposed, again, as a huge hypocrite I cannot support what was done to Ashley Madison. I do not like anyone that moralizes or forces their morality onto others. Yes, they are on a website to have an affair, but unless they are a public figure who claims to be all about “family values” the information should not have been released. The hacking was either done by some people who found their partner on the site and wanted revenge or a bunch of religious individuals that thought it their duty to expose this “sin”.

Priya Lynn

August 21st, 2015

” The hacking was either done by some people who found their partner on the site and wanted revenge or a bunch of religious individuals that thought it their duty to expose this “sin”.”.

I support what the hackers did and I’m neither religious nor the victim of a cheating spouse.

Lord_Byron

August 23rd, 2015

@Priya Lynn

It must be great to moralize without thinking of the possible consequences for this in other parts of the world.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-ashely-madison-leak-puts-thousands-women-lgbt-lives-risk

Priya Lynn

August 24th, 2015

Yes, Byron, in light of that the hack was the wrong thing to do.

Priya Lynn

August 27th, 2015

On second thought, contrary to the article Byron posted, the hack probably didn’t endanger any women in intolerant muslim countries. There are virtually no real women on Ashley Madison, its almost entirely dudes talking to dudes about how they wish they could find some women:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ashley-madison-bunch-dudes-talking-233158251.html#

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