By The Way…

Jim Burroway

July 28th, 2016

Those obnoxious, petulant “Bernie Bros” have seriously made me re-think my loathing of Hillary Clinton. Just FYI.

Ryan P

July 28th, 2016

No politician has ever truly been a friend of the gays. Both parties have used and abused us. Why gays lean toward one party or the other is beyond me. They only use us for their political ends and then ignore us. So how many times has Orlando been mentioned in either convention…ZERO as far as I know. That is how much they really care about us until it comes time for our vote, money or support!

Jim Burroway

July 28th, 2016

Ryan P. You’re just plain wrong if you’re going to pretend there is any kind of equivalency between the two parties. And you are wrong on the specific accusation about Orlando. Not only has it gotten considerable mention, but the mother of Christian Leighton who was killed there spoke to the convention.


July 28th, 2016

I can understand BernieBros. I don’t understand the ClintonHate. Bill Clinton was the first President I voted for and I’ve seen unhinged hatred of Bill and Hillary ever since. Most of it based in baseless accusations pushed by the right. So grow up and get over your “loathing”. I say this to you and the BernieBros.

Jim Burroway

July 28th, 2016

Bill Clinton was the third president I voted for. I’m s democrat through and through. My loathing of the Clintons came about honestly, and not because of right wing lies. Signing DOMA into law and buying time on Christian Tadio to brag about it. Pandering to the Right Wing by saying Nancy opened a convo about AIDS. Constant, constant triangulating. So my loathing continue to a considerable extent. I’ll never Trust her on issues just like I could never trust him. But I can trust her on the one thing that is most important this election. She won’t turn the country into an authoritarian police state or a Russian vassal. And she will probably keep my health care from going away.

Ryan P

July 28th, 2016

I was in the military when it went from an outright ban to don’t ask don’t tell. What changed with that, more people were hunted down after the change. Anyone that lies to keep in power is not my friend. Anyone who hides the truth is not my friend. I do not believe in the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Neither party favors up to us unless they want something. They are not our friends. In fact some of the most draconian laws against gays were put in by Democrats. So to quickly forget that, shame on us! They are not our friends period. They will not protect you nor will they ensure your rights are watched out for unless its politically expedient for them. I have never heard Hillary talk about her “gay friends” nor have I really heard her address us. Of course all the US media is slanted either for or against so its impossible to get factual information. Yes I am not happy with either major party. I trust neither of them. They are in it for themselves. As for a police state, we are all ready heading that way, either one of the major parties will just quicken it if they get a chance. Either way, if either Hillary or Trump get elected, we are screwed. Oh well, thankfully there is other parties to vote for!


July 28th, 2016

Should be called Bernie Folk.

Why is this pernicious impulse to stereotype Bernie supporters as “bros”?

Tons of the petulant Bernie supporters are women, Rosario Dawson is a black woman who’s been pretty ardent in her critique of the convention.

Why is this dismissive term for Bernie Bros gaining traction as it stereotypes Bernie supporters as a bunch of bratty straight white men?

Let’s be honest here, a large contingent of Bernie supporters are your run of the mill leftist loonies equivalent to the Tea Party on the right.

If Hillary had lost and e-mails had surfaced that the DNC chair had sabotaged her campaign and after stepping down proceeded to land a cushy surrogate position for Bernie, the Hillary supporters would be up in arms as well.


July 28th, 2016

Yeah, Lance. Let Trump select a few Heritage Supreme Court justices, and you watch how fast there will be a permanent American dystopia.

Eric Payne

July 28th, 2016

Ryan P,

You’re correct, the investigations into, and discharges of, gay servicepeople increased after implementation of DADT.

But we don’t even have to look that far back in history for examples where the Democrats have legislated — or perhaps I should say not legislated — against gays.

George W. was one of the most anti-gay presidents in history. To whip up their base, Democrats in Congress, during Bush’s final year in office, once again took up ENDA… but this time took it public to the extent of near daily appearances in the media, stating ENDA was an important and necessary bill, yadda yadda, yadda.

Come election time, voters turn out and flip both Houses to Democrat majorities, and seat a Democrat in the Oval Office.

Dems were running all three branches of government but, suddenly, ENDA isn’t so necessary anymore. In fact, it’s so unimportant, no one brings it up again for two years, just in time for the mid-term elections.

But the threat of having an ENDA pass (as well as the then recent repeal of DADT) in the next legislative term whips up the religious right, the GOP base, and flips both Houses back to GOP, and began the gridlock in which government is still mired.


July 28th, 2016

So… if not Clinton or Trump who? The Green Party? Dr. Jill Stein? When she starts talking economics (or anything really), I being to wonder if she is ether smart, and pandering, or has no idea what she’s talking about – such as decrying austerity (raising taxes and spending cuts), but also to support a mix of tax hikes and spending cuts. She and her party pander directly to the anti-vaxxers and anti-science side of the left much more than the Dems (but the Dems also do it). She tailors her message to attract whatever news/support she can, which I see as pandering just as much as Clinton.

As to Gary Johnson, my view of Libertarian’s is that for every good idea they have, six or seven really awful ones are waiting in the wings.

J Randall

July 28th, 2016


I’m very disappointed to hear you use the term BernieBros. It is almost enough to make me stop reading “The Box Turtle Bulletin,” which I happen to love. ALL of the typos in EVERY article notwithstanding I believe you to be a smart, thoughtful, objective guy. And, I’m not going to debate all the obvious facts regarding the many points in this issue (because your opinion is obviously steadfast.) But, your statement is astoundingly ignorant and it makes me question your integrity. I’m glad to see other readers pushing back on this topic. I’m not one to impose myself in discussions in the media about the media, but this false narrative is only a distraction from the truths surrounding this whole election and the important political questions in America. So, I had to say something.

I appreciate all of the information I get from reading this blog, so I’m choosing to ignore your outburst and steer clear of articles in which you veer from either historical information regarding gay topics, themes, and people. Or, articles in which you vent your uninformed beliefs.

J Randall, 33
Wichita, KS

Eric Payne

July 29th, 2016


In any other election year, I just might cast my vote for an Independent running for office; this year, though, the stakes are simply too high. There’s one open seat on the Supreme Court, and there will, probably, be at least one more coming open within the term of whomever is elected.

If this Senate would fulfill its duty and hold confirmation hearings, instead of keeping the seat open in case/until their guy gets sworn-in, the thought of a future vacancy wouldn’t be as taxing… but allowing Donald Trump to appoint at least two Justices? Brrrr.

So I will not waste my vote.

To cast a vote, in a Democratic Society, is not just a right given me by the Constitution, it is a responsibility I’ve accepted to help shape and form government for all of us. It’s not a right, nor a responsibility, I can cavalierly ignore.

Tonight, I watched Hillary’s speech to the DNC accepting the party’s nomination. I saw, and heard, a consummate politician… and that just might be what’s needed in Washington right now, someone to get government back to how it operated before all the newcomers of fresh-to-politics Tea Partiers and, let’s face it, a President who was also pretty new to politics.

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