Disputed Mutability: More On Her Visit To “Love Won Out”

Jim Burroway

December 19th, 2007

Disputed Mutability is at it again. Her second post on “Love Won Out” is as thoughtful as her first.

When I attended Love Won Out, the talk on “The Condition on Male Homosexuality” was given by NARTH’s then-president Joseph Nicolosi. What a horrible talk that was. Thankfully, the Love Won Out conference I attended in Phoenix on Feb 10, 2007 was the last conference that Nicolosi participated in.

When Love Won Out went to Omaha in April, Nicolosi was replaced by Joe Dallas, who has been giving the talk on male homosexuality ever since. I was able to listen to audio of Dallas’ talk several weeks later and found his more nuanced and considered tone a huge improvement over Nicolosi’s. Disputed Mutability’s latest entry bears that out.

But while Dallas offers a somewhat more balanced overview of the possible causes of homosexuality (acknowledging that biology may play a role), DM notes that he nevertheless only discussed his developmental theory:

The funny thing is he went on from there to simply present the developmental theory, as if none of his cautions and qualifications mattered. I found this puzzling… Once you recongize that the theory probably doesn’t apply to 100% of the cases, why would you devote 100% of your remaining time talking about it? Does Love Won Out have anything to offer the person or family who can’t find themselves in the developmental picture?

DM’s question reminds me of a co-worker a few years back who was fond of saying, “Sometimes when your only tool is a hammer, all of your problems end up looking like nails.”


December 19th, 2007

Why does SHE go to the talks about MALE homosexuality?

How many steps does one have to go through to come out straight on the other end of one of these conferences?

Maybe if she goes to enough of these snake oil seminars they’ll teach her how to become a straight male.

Then she can maintain the comfort of her “opposite-sex only” morals and convictions while still being able to sleep with women without guilt.

It’s a win/win!

Jim Burroway

December 19th, 2007

Zeke, Zeke, Zeke…

The talk titled “The Condition of Male Homosexuality” is a plenary session for all conference goers, not a breakout session. In other words, everybody goes to it. It’s followed by another talk, “The Condition of Female Homosexuality.”

Maybe I’m humor challenged tonight, or maybe it’s late and I’m just plain tired. Were you trying to make a point?


December 19th, 2007

Why do they continue to discuss it?

And the answer is (drum roll, please): Because they have nothing else to say about it and, more importantly,

Because “unchanged” homosexuals do not spend their lifetimes in celibacy — Christian or not. Celibacy is truly not a helpful deal to offer most of humanity unless it is presented to the 1% or so truly asexuals in existence.

So..with no fixative and no shut down of sexual drive that truly works, there is nothing to offer, but that doesn’t cease the talking because talking feels right and camoflagues the unreality of the elusive “hope for change”.

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